With Joe. When is he going to learn to say no to my route selection. He is a good sport, knowing that I am trying to tick off all of Red Rocks. In all fairness, I have done several of the lessor known Windy Peak routes and found most of them interesting and decent. This route is the rare one star out of five for me rating wise. The 2nd crack off width pitch was pretty good. But the 4th pitch, which was the first real challenge of the climb, although decent rock, posed a deck fall for the first several 5.10 moves before pro. The roof pull was pretty cool, but then bad and wet rock out right to finish the pitch. The 5th pitch, again, bad decking potential on the crux move of the climb...once through that, in the winter, the 5.10 seam is full of running water. You can descend and move to the right and ascend the chimney/off width for 200' to the Pine Tree. The last pitch (7th) was all running water, so we ventured left up a V shaped, water full, chimney. Not a good winter route. Not a worthy route in general.