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| Matt Worster | you're hilarious | |
Hasn't voted | I love it. Absolutely love it. | |
| Posted Mar 28, 2006 1:43 am | ||
| Aaron Johnson | A Good Idea | |
Hasn't voted | Given you're one of the most powerful members on SP, and you're vote is very influential. Hopefully it will keep you out of trouble! ;>) | |
| Posted Mar 28, 2006 3:46 am | ||
| Corax | Interesting | |
Voted 10/10 | A very interesting and unusual article. I liked to compare my way of thinking with yours. It can also be a good guideline for voters. | |
| Posted Mar 28, 2006 6:17 am | ||
| Lolli | Useful! | |
Voted 10/10 | Like it or not, you may have written a standard - and a kind of checklist for making a page. Because if all of you criterias are on the page, (or explained why it isn't) it will make a good page. I would add a criteria - well written. Even if something is missing, but it's interesting reading, making me long for see the place myself, then the page has done it's work. | |
| Posted Mar 29, 2006 11:44 am | ||
| JasonH | Good job | |
Voted 10/10 | This makes me want to rethink every vote I have made. | |
| Posted Apr 6, 2006 6:52 am | ||
| Kane | Hmm | |
Hasn't voted | Scott, why do you put so much importance in adding a second route? To go from a 9 to a 10 means someone had to climb the mountain by two different routes? IMO I find that to be an unreasonable request for other SP members. BTW, I'm adding a Topo to my Star Peak page and the North Ridge is the only reasonable route. I also added the topo and the Getting there to the route page. | |
| Posted Apr 7, 2006 1:35 am | ||
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| Scott | Re: Hmm | |
Hasn't voted | Notice that SP guidelines say the following, and that a 9-star is by no means bad: 1 The Worst. Ever. 2 Horrible 3 Pretty Bad 4 Below Average 5 Average 6 Above Average 7 Pretty Good 8 Excellent 9 Wow! Amazing 10 The Best. Ever. Scott, why do you put so much importance in adding a second route? To go from a 9 to a 10 means someone had to climb the mountain by two different routes? No not at all. Notice what I said: 1. These Mountain pages either have route information for more than one route on the front page, or have more than one route page attached, or have a routes overview with several outlined routes plus a route page. Exceptions are made for peaks with only one practical route. IMO I find that to be an unreasonable request for other SP members. I agree. With a mountain close to home, it is easy to ascend a peak more than once, but (for example) there is no way I’m going to fly half way across the world just to add a second route page to some of my pages. BTW, I'm adding a Topo to my Star Peak page and the North Ridge is the only reasonable route. I also added the topo and the Getting there to the route page. I changed the vote to 10, because technically you mentioned two routes with the SW face. The Star Peak page was and is excellent, and your pages are among the best on Summitpost. I did however have to write some sort of a criteria because people seem to like to question votes, and I did have to vote everyone the same. Also, you do not have to climb a mountain by two different routes to add a routes overview. If the north ridge is indeed the only practical route, by your observation, just let us know, and that’s more than enough to me to vote 10 as per the criteria on the article. For a page to be “prefect” (which I don’t claim any of my own pages to be), and since the route info is the most important to me, I would prefer to see a routes overview, even if brief, but this is just my opinion. A routes overview on an obscure peak with no other info available doesn’t mean that you have climbed the mountain from another route, but can be based on observation. For example, does a route from Cooper Creek to the north ridge look like a possibility, or does it look extra nasty and you wouldn’t recommend even trying it? Or was it impossible to make a judgment? One some obscure mountains similar to Star, I have only been able to find one practical route, but personally, I like to point this out, and it’s just my own opinion which might be very different from your own. I’ll use some pages as examples (but admit your pages are better than mine; these are only examples): The Cathedral Like Star Peak, The Cathedral is hard to find info on, and in fact SP is the only place you will find route info on the peak. I could find only one practical route, and here’s what I wrote in the Routes Overview: After several exploratory trips on all sides of the mountain, we were only to find one viable route to the summit; the Northeast Shoulder. Briefly put (see the route page for more details): From the trailhead the route follows the East Fork Bear River Trail east. After 4 miles, the route turns left here on the trail posted for Allsop Lake. After a ways the route scrambles up the Northwest Shoulder to the summit. The route is not that easy, but is fairly easy to find. After much searching, all other routes to the summit seem to be blocked by cliffs, and the rock is not good for technical climbing. In July 1998, we made an attempt of the south ridge and reached 11,960 feet, but there were thunderstorms and we had to return. The south ridge may go if you skirt around to the west and around the buttresses, and by making the final approach up some western gullies, but this is unconfirmed. The only confirmed route I know of is the NE Shoulder. The East Face Gullies are probably the finest snow climbing routes in the Uinta Mountains. It may be possible to traverse to the Northeast Shoulder Route from the northern-most gully, but I haven't tried it. I also couldn’t find any other route info on Monte Roraima and any other route would be far beyond my ability. Obviously, I only climbed one route. Monte Roraima The Paratepui Route, is by far the most popular route on the mountain is is probably use by at least 99.999% of the people climbing the peak. This is also the only non-technical route available for climbing the mountain. The route crosses the Gran Sabana and climbes a rugged and slippery route to the summit. There are several river crossings, which you must do on foot (no bridges). The Rio Tex and Rio Kukenan crossings can be problematic after rains. The trek out to the base of the peak can be hot, sunny, and shadeless across the Gran Sabana. It usually takes 1 to 1 1/2 days to reach the base of the peak. The trek to the top and back usually takes four days, plus any days you may spend on top. Other routes other than the one described are very seldom attempted. Rock climbers could probably find several "first" all over the sides of this peak. The mountain has been climbed from the Guyana and Brazilian sides, but I don't have any information on the routes, other than they are technical big-wall climbs and only for expert climbers. Also notice this page. It was actually vote 3 on SPv1 because it only had one route page. On the other hand, there is really only one practical route. Tajumulco Notice the Red Tape section: There are (were?) also rumors that there are land-mines on the mountain. Avoid anything that looks suspicious. Don't stray from the trail. The heck if I’m going to try another route. Forget that, and screw anyone who down votes the page because I don't feel like walking around off the trail since there is a risk of landmines. What I’m getting at, is just tell us that there appears to only one practical route on the mountain, and I will always vote 10/10 on such well written pages, such as yours. Also, if you could let us know what you observed by looking at the other parts of the mountain, this makes an outstanding page perfect. PS, what do you consider a 10/10 to be? | |
| Posted Apr 7, 2006 4:43 am | ||
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| Scott | Re: Hmm | |
Hasn't voted | PS, don't feel too bad about my previous 9/10 vote (now a 10/10). I actually have the worse rated route page in the state of Utah (at least ones that were voted on), hee hee: Worse score of a route in Utah (besides unvoted ones) | |
| Posted Apr 7, 2006 6:06 am | ||
| Jeroen Vels | Nice | |
Hasn't voted | This makes this clear. I like the page. | |
| Posted May 9, 2006 10:56 am | ||
| BigLee | Pointless | |
Voted 5/10 | "It isn’t posted for any other reason other than my own use to link to"....Why not just keep it on your PC then? I don't see the point of this page to keep it brief. | |
| Posted Jan 23, 2007 2:52 pm | ||
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| Scott | Re: Pointless | |
Hasn't voted | "It isn’t posted for any other reason other than my own use to link to"....Why not just keep it on your PC then? No, it is not pointless. When ever someone complains about a vote I have made, I link them to this page and show them that I vote everyone the same. Some people get all upset whenever someone doesn't vote a 10/10 every time. That is the point behind this page. | |
| Posted Jan 23, 2007 3:24 pm | ||
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