that would surprise you a bit....on my way to the White House from Georgia with Newt Gingrich on the road, so several of us could ski at Snowshoe about this time of year as I recall....a farewell party at the White House to George senior, so whatever his last year was....drove by Seneca (for some reason) and vicinity....inspired me to pursue climbing more than I was at the time. Some things change a lot...some things never change! cheers