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| Chewbacca | Name | |
Hasn't voted | Lolli - You should change the name of the range to Scandinavian Mountains. Skanderna is the Swedish language name used in Sweden only. SP uses the English name for ranges. Otherwise there would be complete chaos trying to agree which countries language and range name one should use for the various ranges that are situated in more than one country. | |
| Posted Feb 14, 2006 11:16 pm | ||
| Lolli | Name | |
Hasn't voted | I don't agree that English names shall be used - names to be found here on different ranges are: Prokletije, Los Pirineos / Les Pyrenées-RANGE, Civetta,Moracke Planine, Jotunheimen AREA, Saslonch / Langkofel / Sassolungo GROUP etc As I see it, there is no need to belittle the world by changing the names to English. The trend in mapmaking etc is just the opposite. I will consider adding the word "range" though. And adding Kjölen to the name. But,I will not change the name now. I will think about it. | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 12:05 am | ||
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| The Lower Marmot | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | I'd suggest adding the word range just to clarify things a little bit for us dumb Americans, but Skanderna is great (preferable to me, actually). I'll come back and vote after school. Thanks! sam | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 2:01 pm | ||
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| tomi | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | first should be original (native) name then / english transcription, this way we respect locals and second visitors from other countries can find easier in english. just suggestions for all inputs | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 2:36 pm | ||
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| Chewbacca | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | The problem is that the majority of the range is in Norway and that the owner of the page is trying to use a Swedish language name for it. Most Norwegains will feel rather badly about the mountains in their country now being given a Swedish name. Where a range has several different native names one should try and use the English name. Otherwise the name will be too long and complicated. (There might even be a Sami name for this range.) | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 6:35 pm | ||
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| Chewbacca | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | Kjølen is the Norwegian name for the mountains along the border. The range in this page however includes almost all of the mountains on the Scandinavian peninsular. I think the correct Norwegian name would be "De Skandinaviske fjellene". | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 6:39 pm | ||
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| Lolli | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | It is much better you tell me that, the real reason: That you feel bad about it. (You can't speak for other Norwegians, since I know at least one that isn't disturbed by it.) I am not "trying to" use the name - I AM using it. I am the owner of the page, the name is correct, I picked it because it has geological background. Swedes do not use that name at all - they just call it "The Fjeld chain" ("The Mountain chain")It is only geologists who calls it "Skanderna". But, when knowing the real reason, it is easier to try to name it in a way that makes everybody feel good about it. It is a very cool mountain range and of course it's better when people are happy, everything will work much better then. But I better tell you something - and most people functions exactly like I do - trying to pressure me into doing something, is the absolutely surest way to guarantee it won't happen. I like the name Skanderna. I dislike the name "Scandinavian Mountains". The answer is still, I will think about it. A pretty cool name though.... "The Mountain Chain". :-) | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 8:11 pm | ||
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| Lolli | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | The Lower Marmot, I think so too - the word "range" could be good to add, but on the other hand - it is sorted under "Areas and Ranges".... what's the opposite of dumb? Un-dumb? ;-) | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 8:18 pm | ||
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| Lolli | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | tomi, yes, I like that system too! Very much! Takes a bit of thinking, in order to keep it short, though... | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 8:19 pm | ||
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| Chewbacca | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Mountains | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 11:24 pm | ||
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| Lolli | Re: Name | |
Hasn't voted | yes, I've read that. | |
| Posted Feb 16, 2006 12:09 am | ||
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| tallabomba | Fjällen | |
Hasn't voted | Well, what's in a name? Regardless of what name to use in the title, it would be nice to have the local name variants (popular and more formal/scientific) described for the respective languages (Sami, Norwegian, Swedish, Meänkieli, ..?) in the text. Many swedes call it Fjällen - "the mountains (that are higher than the treeline)". The word for mountain (lower ones in Scandinavia and all mountains everywhere else) is "berg" in Swedish. Quite different from how norwegians use their "fjell". PS. I think Skanderna is fine as the main name, but the English name is fine too (and perhaps a more diplomatic solution in areas with many local languages). | |
| Posted Feb 24, 2006 3:56 am | ||
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| Lolli | Re: Fjällen | |
Hasn't voted | Well, "Tunturit" isn't a bad alternative after all... ;-) | |
| Posted Feb 24, 2006 3:50 pm | ||
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| Lolli | The name "Skanderna" | |
Hasn't voted | In order to get the name question straight, I called the Geological Survey of Sweden, a governmental institute, and asked them what the real geological English name for the mountain chain was. They have now returned an answer. The official name in English is "The Scandes". If googling the name, one gets this page from the Norwegian Geological Society: The Northern and Southern Scandes - Structural differences and link to offshore tectonics I have hereby changed the name of the page to Skanderna/the Scandes. | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2006 1:09 am | ||
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| Lolli | "The Scandes" | |
Hasn't voted | Eric, look further up in the thread and you'll get a longer answer: The official name in English is "The Scandes". | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2006 10:14 am | ||
| tiziana | go on Lolli !!! | |
Voted 10/10 | it will be a beautiful page ...with those fantastic photos:) cheers ..Tiz | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 11:45 am | ||
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| Lolli | Re: go on Lolli !!! | |
Hasn't voted | oh wow, thank you! :-) I will. | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2006 12:01 pm | ||
| Gangolf Haub | I'm sure... | |
Voted 10/10 | ... we haven't heard the end of the name discussion. My suggestion is to put the English name in front, the Swedish behind. This clearly is an area which spans more than one country and consequently you either use a neutral name or names in all languages. As there seems to be only one for the whole range in Swedish that should be ok. Still I would include a paragraph in the overview section, in which the different names might be discussed. I have had similar discussions about the mountains of South Tyrol, which have German names but belong to Italy and thus received Italian names as well. Wherever I find them I report all names, not caring too much about the naming sequence. Back to your page - I see that you have done a lot of work but I would expect some shuffling around over the weeks and days. E.g. Jotunheimen should be discussed in a bit more detail (a paragraph) as it is very important (though there is a page of its own). I'll have a look every now and then to see how it is going... | |
| Posted Mar 11, 2006 10:44 am | ||
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| Lolli | Re: I'm sure... | |
Hasn't voted | Yes, the name question is tricky, maybe I just call it "the Scandes". Yes, I will keep on working on the page and add things and move around stuff to more rightful places if needed. I'm glad you liked it so far. | |
| Posted Mar 11, 2006 12:38 pm | ||
| Vid Pogachnik | Great overview page! | |
Voted 10/10 | Lolli, I'm glad that Northern Europe is so well covered on SP. I was not exploring much, but the Google map gives me only a little additional info. It's a lot of work, I know, but one map with names of main sub-areas would be welcome (instead of the satellite map). Regarding the name - stick to the original names, as long as all nations up there are comfortable with them. There's no need for an English translation, everyone knows where Scandinavia is. | |
| Posted Mar 11, 2006 11:06 am | ||
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