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| saintgrizzly | Very interesting! | |
Voted 10/10 | Thanks for posting this--very interesting and well written! Comment, RE: "There is no red tape in Scandinavia." In Norway you are allowed to roam the land and put up your tent for a night or two in any spot that doesn't disturb people. The only rule is that you must be 150 meters from residences. We could learn from that here in the U.S.! And a question: How long is the "world's longest undersea tunnel?" Great page! | |
| Posted Nov 17, 2006 2:25 am | ||
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| foweyman | Re: Very interesting! | |
Hasn't voted | Thanks Saint Grizzly, for all your votes and comments, and for the reminder to look up the length of the tunnel. It is 7km long. | |
| Posted Nov 17, 2006 11:34 am | ||
| Chewbacca | Interesting | |
Voted 4/10 | This is an interesting page and I guess tourists and “locals” have a different view on Nordkapp. Nordkapp was until a decade or so ago a somewhat barren and desolated peninsular almost at the northern part of “mainland” Europe. Today it’s a tourist trap with all the tourist facilities most Norwegians love to hate. It’s not a mountain, but the top of a cliff overlooking the sea. The fee for using the road is controversial and outrageous – even by Norwegian standards. Only reason tourists visit the place is apparently because they are brought to believe that it is the northern-most point in Europe – and also the tourist facilities and conference centre. The info on the Nordkapp home page (“Europas nordligste punkt, Nordkappklippen,…”) is a not true. It isn’t Europe’s northern-most point, neither on the mainland nor on an island, but it is the most convenient site for the tourist facilities. The number of tourists (200.000 visitors during the summer season) gives an idea of what one is in for. It's one of Norways most visited tourist attractions. There was a lot of controversy when the present tourist centre was built. The criticism was that it’d be over-dimensioned, too costly and also give a single tourist company monopoly over the area. It’s basically a good (or bad) example of a place of naturally beauty being ruined by massive tourist infrastructure. As mentioned on this page the alternative, Knivskjellodden, IS the northern-most point in the area. In comparison it gets few visitors each year, has no facilities, is unspoilt, and can only be reached by a 2-3 hour hike on a marked trail. There are no fees for using this trail. I’m not surprised if one is told at Nordkapp that they have the northern-most hotel, chapel, bar etc. They company who run Nordkapp have obviously decide to overlook the town of Longyearbyen in Svalbard (Spitzbergen) http://www.svalbard.com/ These islands are situated between 74 and 84 dgr and are part of Norway and Europe. | |
| Posted Nov 18, 2006 1:27 am | ||
| Chewbacca | Not a mountain | |
Voted 4/10 | This is not a mountain and should be listed as a trailhead or logistical centre instead. I'm of he opinion that the category "Mountains & Rocks" should be reserved for mountains and Rocks. Please tell me if/when this has been changed and I'll change my vote. | |
| Posted Feb 27, 2007 9:24 pm | ||
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| foweyman | More mountain than molehill | |
Hasn't voted | ???The fact that Nordkapp is the high point of an elevated plateau, and has steep 1000 ft. cliff faces with a long history of ascents, easily qualifies it for the undefined and loosely interpreted category of "mountains and rocks" as used on SP. Others you should find questionable include Yosemite's world famous El Capitan which is a cliff not a peak. Also, the state highpoint of Delaware is a barely visable 1 foot rise in a flat field. I'm sure I could find other examples, but I care about this objection about as much as I care how you vote. | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2007 12:09 am | ||
| Chewbacca | Well | |
Voted 4/10 | I don't expect to agree with you on this one but anyhow: Nordkapp has a prominence of about 50m. There are numerous higher points on the plateau. Its a bar/restaurant/tourist facility. There were some climbs in earlier times, but after the road was built hardly anyone takes a boat out to sea in order to climb up the cliff. The tourists arrive by car and bus. I know there are lots of other more doubtful so-called mountains on SP. It still doesn't make Nordkapp a moutain or rock in my opinion. If this is a mountain then I can submit the restaurant on the hill overlooking the city where I live. IMO Nordkapp is more a trailhead or logistical centre. | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2007 12:49 am | ||
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| foweyman | Is the lutefisk good? | |
Hasn't voted | What city do you live in? I'm guessing I'd rather hike up to your restaurant than the state high point of Delaware. | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2007 11:45 am | ||
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| Chewbacca | Re: Is the lutefisk good? | |
Voted 4/10 | Oslo. The hill is on the pic in this thread: http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25282 Lutefisk tastes awful. Everyone knows that. (-; | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2007 6:57 pm | ||
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| foweyman | Frognerseteren | |
Hasn't voted | I've eaten at a restaurant on that hill. Isn't Frognerseteren just outside the right edge of the photo? My cousin, also Erik S(Stensrud), who lives in Roa, took me there. Reindeer was served and their special apple cake w/cream for desert. | |
| Posted Feb 28, 2007 9:17 pm | ||
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