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| MOCKBA | Great history section | |
Voted 10/10 | and truly hilarious text labels on the topo, thanks! | |
| Posted Feb 9, 2007 6:29 pm | ||
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| Aaron Johnson | Re: Great history section | |
Hasn't voted | Thanks. Yes-A good laugh for sure. I found all of the many labled mines amusing as well. I suppose it's only fitting that Democrat's BM is labled so small on the map, since the Democrats have a 14er to perch their pride on. I found this funny as well. I can empathize with both sides, but in this case, history called the shots and the higher point went to the Dems in this now strongly Republican state. This could get into quite the political conversation, but that should be done elsewhere, and I would likely not participate (at least not too much). | |
| Posted Feb 9, 2007 6:36 pm | ||
| Andy | ice climbing and private property? | |
Voted 10/10 | Hey Aaron - I heard there was some good ice climbing in that area (north side of I70 near Silver Plume). I've also heard of people getting chased off it by angry land owners (who may or may not own the land that the falls are on or the approach). Do you know anything about this? If so it would make a nice addition to your page. | |
| Posted Feb 9, 2007 7:43 pm | ||
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| Aaron Johnson | Re: ice climbing and private property? | |
Hasn't voted | Hi Andy! There are some good but short ice falls that are in the lower stretches of Brown Gulch, not too far above the highway that are reportedly good for ice climbing. However, much of that area is indeed private property, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are conflicts involved. | |
| Posted Feb 10, 2007 12:01 am | ||
| Klenke | Where pundit bandits once hid out | |
Voted 10/10 | An interesting piece of Americana you've got here, Aaron. Edits: It looks like you've got 12 feet for the height. I think you want 12,386 ft. I'm confused by this text (I've added the italics to point out my confusion): " The tiny, almost imperceptible perch of Democrat Benchmark can be seen from Interstate 70 if one is traveling west toward Georgetown at the exit for Highway 40 over Berthoud Pass and Empire. But you need to know where to look and what to look at. Although a bit higher, Republican is even more elusive." Aren't Democrat BM and Republican the same height (i.e., the BM is the summit of Republican Mountain)? Or for Democrat Benchmark did you really mean to refer to lower "Democrat Mountain" a half-mile NE of Republican Mountain. Comments: Did the Democrat BM appear before or after the summit was named "Republican Mountain" (by the USGS or otherwise)? This chronology might explain some things. A little more irony: here in Seattle, known for its democrat majority, there is a "Republican Street" but there is no opposing "Democrat Street" in the city. I find myself driving or crossing Republican quite often. I bet the ultra liberals in this town just can't stand it. I'm surprised there hasn't been a grassroots movement to get it renamed Democrat Street. | |
| Posted Feb 9, 2007 7:44 pm | ||
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| MOCKBA | The republican BMs in CO | |
Voted 10/10 | The NGS database lists two, but both are a long way to the ESE. The first one is unpub / deprecated KJ0497 REPUBLICAN 39 05 57.5/103 15 16.0 (For comparison this hill is 39° 42' 54"N, 105° 44' 08"W ) The other one: KJ0435 DESIGNATION - REPUBLICAN KJ0435 PID - KJ0435 KJ0435 STATE/COUNTY- CO/KIT CARSON KJ0435 USGS QUAD - TUTTLE (1984) KJ0435 KJ0435 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL KJ0435 ___________________________________________________________________ KJ0435* NAD 83(1992)- 39 29 44.56866(N) 102 35 35.68834(W) ADJUSTED KJ0435* NAVD 88 - 1295. (meters) 4249. (feet) SCALED KJ0435 ___________________________________________________________________ KJ0435 LAPLACE CORR- -4.71 (seconds) DEFLEC99 KJ0435 GEOID HEIGHT- -22.18 (meters) GEOID03 KJ0435 KJ0435 HORZ ORDER - FIRST KJ0435 KJ0435.The horizontal coordinates were established by classical geodetic methods KJ0435.and adjusted by the National Geodetic Survey in January 1993.. KJ0435 KJ0435.The orthometric height was scaled from a topographic map. KJ0435 KJ0435.The Laplace correction was computed from DEFLEC99 derived deflections. KJ0435 KJ0435.The geoid height was determined by GEOID03. KJ0435 KJ0435; North East Units Scale Factor Converg. KJ0435;SPC CO C - 493,339.458 1,164,384.206 MT 0.99995959 +1 49 59.7 KJ0435;SPC CO C - 1,618,564.54 3,820,150.52 sFT 0.99995959 +1 49 59.7 KJ0435;SPC CO N - 326,927.617 1,164,402.945 MT 1.00004300 +1 52 41.3 KJ0435;SPC CO N - 1,072,595.02 3,820,212.00 sFT 1.00004300 +1 52 41.3 KJ0435;UTM 13 - 4,374,554.245 706,954.733 MT 1.00012736 +1 31 52.6 KJ0435 KJ0435! - Elev Factor x Scale Factor = Combined Factor KJ0435!SPC CO C - 0.99980042 x 0.99995959 = 0.99976002 KJ0435!SPC CO N - 0.99980042 x 1.00004300 = 0.99984341 KJ0435!UTM 13 - 0.99980042 x 1.00012736 = 0.99992775 KJ0435 KJ0435|---------------------------------------------------------------------| KJ0435| PID Reference Object Distance Geod. Az | KJ0435| dddmmss.s | KJ0435| CP8502 REPUBLICAN RM 2 18.445 METERS 08156 | KJ0435| CP8500 REPUBLICAN AZ MK 1812217.7 | KJ0435| CP8501 REPUBLICAN RM 1 9.642 METERS 35230 | KJ0435|---------------------------------------------------------------------| KJ0435 KJ0435 SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL KJ0435 KJ0435 NAD 83(1986)- 39 29 44.56448(N) 102 35 35.68613(W) AD( ) 1 KJ0435 NAD 27 - 39 29 44.59511(N) 102 35 33.96280(W) AD( ) 1 KJ0435 KJ0435.Superseded values are not recommended for survey control. KJ0435.NGS no longer adjusts projects to the NAD 27 or NGVD 29 datums. KJ0435.See file dsdata.txt to determine how the superseded data were derived. KJ0435 KJ0435_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 13SGD0695574554(NAD 83) KJ0435_MARKER: DS = TRIANGULATION STATION DISK KJ0435_SETTING: 7 = SET IN TOP OF CONCRETE MONUMENT KJ0435_SP_SET: TOP OF SQUARE CONCRETE MONUMENT KJ0435 KJ0435 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By KJ0435 HISTORY - 1968 MONUMENTED CGS KJ0435 HISTORY - 1969 GOOD CGS KJ0435 KJ0435 STATION DESCRIPTION KJ0435 KJ0435'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1968 (JLC) KJ0435'THE STATION IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST 1/4 OF SECTION 30, T. 6 KJ0435'S., R. 46 W ON STATE HIGHWAY 57 RIGHT OF WAY. IT IS ABOUT 13 KJ0435'MILES NORTH OF STRATTON AND 8 MILES SOUTH OF KIRK. KJ0435' KJ0435'TO REACH THE STATION FROM THE POST OFFICE IN KIRK, GO SOUTH ON KJ0435'STATE HIGHWAY 57 FOR 7.7 MILES TO A FARMHOUSE AND THE STATION KJ0435'IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE YARD. KJ0435' KJ0435'THE STATION MARK IS A STANDARD DISK STAMPED REPUBLICAN 1968, KJ0435'SET IN THE TOP OF A 12-INCH CYLINDRICAL CONCRETE MONUMENT THAT IS KJ0435'FLUSH. IT IS 66.5 FEET WEST-SOUTHWEST OF A CORNER POST IN A KJ0435'WOODEN FENCE, 37.3 FEET EAST-NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF STATE KJ0435'HIGHWAY 57 AND 6.8 FEET SOUTH OF A POWER LINE POLE WITH A KJ0435'TRANSFORMER. KJ0435' KJ0435'REFERENCE MARK 1 IS A STANDARD DISK STAMPED REPUBLICAN NO 1 1968, KJ0435'SET IN THE TOP OF A 12-INCH CYLINDRICAL CONCRETE MONUMENT THAT IS KJ0435'FLUSH. IT IS 76.4 FEET SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF A POWER LINE POLE, 38 KJ0435'FEET EAST-NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF THE HIGHWAY AND 25.3 FEET KJ0435'NORTH-NORTHWEST OF THE POWER LINE POLE. KJ0435' KJ0435'REFERENCE MARK 2 IS A STANDARD DISK STAMPED REPUBLICAN NO 2 1968, KJ0435'SET IN THE TOP OF A 12-INCH CYLINDRICAL CONCRETE MONUMENT THAT KJ0435'PROJECTS 1 INCH. IT IS 59 FEET EAST OF THE POWER LINE POLE WITH KJ0435'THE TRANSFORMER, 16 FEET SOUTH OF THE CORNER POST AND 3 FEET WEST KJ0435'OF A WOODEN FENCE. KJ0435' KJ0435'THE AZIMUTH MARK IS A STANDARD DISK STAMPED REPUBLICAN 1968, SET KJ0435'IN THE TOP OF A 12-INCH CYLINDRICAL CONCRETE MONUMENT THAT PROJECTS KJ0435'4 INCHES. IT IS 33 FEET WEST OF THE CENTER OF THE HIGHWAY, 1.8 KJ0435'FEET NORTH OF A METAL WITNESS POST AND 0.8 FEET EAST OF A FENCE. KJ0435' KJ0435'TO REACH THE AZIMUTH MARK FROM THE STATION, GO SOUTH ON THE KJ0435'HIGHWAY FOR 1 MILE TO THE AZIMUTH MARK ON THE RIGHT. KJ0435' KJ0435'HEIGHT OF LIGHT ABOVE STATION MARK 1 METER. | |
| Posted Feb 9, 2007 9:24 pm | ||
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| Aaron Johnson | Re: Where pundit bandits once hid out | |
Hasn't voted | Hi Paul. My daughter called and informed me of the height problem. I put a coma in the figure, so the server just went with 12 feet. It's fixed now. Democrat Mountain is not the same Democat BM indicated on the topo (in smaller font print). The Democrat BM is visible from the highway at the I-40 exit, Republican BM is visible only at the Silverthorn exit. Perhaps I should clarify that text, thenI'll delete this message. The actual summit is the Republican BM. I think Democrat was added later, by the appearance of the topo (rather humorous). Colorado is a strong Republican, conservative state, but there's enough Dems to upset the cart when necessary, which probably drives Republicans crazy. Funny stuff! Thanks for stopping by. | |
| Posted Feb 10, 2007 12:06 am | ||
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| Aaron Johnson | Re: The republican BMs in CO | |
Hasn't voted | Whoa! I've changed the page name to Republican Mountain and Democrat BM. It's only fair, after all, since the Dems have the 14er... | |
| Posted Feb 10, 2007 12:17 am | ||
| nartreb | me too | |
Hasn't voted | I'm confused. You talk about "two small rocky perches" but the topos show a single summit, named Republican, with a benchmark on it (labeled Democrat). The northeastern ridge also bears the "Democrat" name, and there's an unnamed peak on it (with a listed elevation, so maybe there's another survey mark there?). Also, I don't see why the page is titled "BM" - it's the mountain that gets climbed, not the benchmark. USGS GNIS shows the name "Republican Mountain" (nothing about "BM") at the coordinates you give: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=163:3:15165516968464433336::NO::P3_FID:181924 OK, there's also a Democrat Mountain nearby with an elevation of 11689. That seems to be a bump on the ridge "Democrat Mountain", just above the Astor mine (though it's not the bump with a measured elevation on the topo) http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=163:3:15165516968464433336::NO::P3_FID:181925 In short, more clarity, less rivalry, please. | |
| Posted Feb 9, 2007 8:24 pm | ||
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| Aaron Johnson | Re: me too | |
Hasn't voted | I'll clarify the text. The two "summits" are very close together, but with amazingly differing views. Republican is the higher "summit," and Democrat is the BM. I changed the name of the page as well. I've got a feeling there will be rivalry no matter what I do! ;>) | |
| Posted Feb 10, 2007 12:10 am | ||
| saintgrizzly | Question.... | |
Voted 10/10 | I thought the Colorado Statehouse had gone Democrat...or did the last election change that? (Meaning, the state may no longer be all that conservative....) As usual, very good and interesting writing! | |
| Posted Feb 10, 2007 1:11 am | ||
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| Kane | Re: Question.... | |
Voted 10/10 | Great page Aaron. Nice to see a page from one of the SP oldies. | |
| Posted Feb 10, 2007 3:00 am | ||
| Scott | Hilarious | |
Voted 10/10 | Someone should really hash out the name in P&P. | |
| Posted Feb 15, 2007 4:31 pm | ||
| Timothy Pearl | Funny | |
Voted 10/10 | Just noticed that 2 weeks ago when climbing in the area. Thanks for expanding on the subject! | |
| Posted Feb 21, 2007 6:12 pm | ||
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