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| visentin | what about | |
Voted 10/10 | the semantics section about mountain huts/refuges/shelters/cabans ? :) | |
| Posted Jul 2, 2009 6:17 am | ||
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| yatsek | Re: what about | |
Hasn't voted | Probably: HERE | |
| Posted Jul 2, 2009 6:27 am | ||
| megla | What a useful page! | |
Voted 10/10 | Interesting coordinates. | |
| Posted Jul 2, 2009 11:52 am | ||
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| yatsek | Re: What a useful page! | |
Hasn't voted | Thanks! I'm glad you noticed both facts. Hope those lost at this southeastern non-English (English?) sea read your comment. :) | |
| Posted Jul 2, 2009 12:13 pm | ||
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| megla | Re: What a useful page! | |
Voted 10/10 | The only problem is that I'm going to have a lot of edition to do! Even if I made generally only one mistake, I "have" to correct it on every single page. Maybe I'll try the "auto" corrector software sometime. And the dictionary project is nice too. How about some general coma advice (like a few basic rules)? Did I understand you're into linguistics? I thought it was geography. | |
| Posted Jul 2, 2009 12:48 pm | ||
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| yatsek | Re: What a useful page! | |
Hasn't voted | Look at the first of the big black dots in the introduction. Not to worry :) I can't remember seeing any eye-catching (LOL) errors on your pages, and I have read a few. Talking of commas, IMHO the golden rule is surprisingly similar: Don't worry about where to put them – they're often optional (like the one before "and" above). Rule 2 might be: use commas to separate pieces of "extra information" - I'll quote from Decatur Trio by Aaron Johnson (currently on the front page) – from the "core sentence", which is e.g.: "Once directly west of your vehicle, [To me, omitting this comma wouldn't be a big crime] descend or take a side trip to Brittle Silver Mountain." The outcome is: Once directly west of your vehicle, which may be visible below, descend or take a side trip to Brittle Silver Mountain, a little exclamation point to end your day". Rule 3: commas between adjectives forming a little chain: "It is a beautiful, scenic walk along Colorado's continental divide." As to your last question, I was born with a scientific mind. Without a shade of doubt, I'd be into science/philosophy if I hadn't had to live behind the Iron Curtain when I was in my twenties. | |
| Posted Jul 2, 2009 2:42 pm | ||
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| megla | Re: What a useful page! | |
Voted 10/10 | Thank you for lifting some of that comma taboo for me(that's really what it was becoming!). Are you an English teacher or what? "I'd be into science/philosophy if I hadn't had to live behind the Iron Curtain when I was in my twenties." Ha! You maybe meant: in front of the Iron Curtain. I lived in Berlin (W at first, then united) for 10 years, and remember the raising of the curtain times (falling of the wall). We are somewhat complicated animals, aren't we? We people I mean. This reminds me of the Nobel crowned book Ling Shan, "La Montagne de l'Ame" (something like Mountain of Soul) by the Chinese author Gao Xingjian. Someone, before realizing he isn't sick, makes a trip to the Mountain. It's a thick book, an insight of modern China, and not once will you find the word "We" in it. | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 9:04 am | ||
| megla | No 12 | |
Voted 10/10 | Are you sure it isn't "to the right" instead of "on the right"? You probably Are sure, but for a dubious understander as I am, as we mountain people often are (see Pit Schubert's statistics), please tell me if I'm OK with: the path Is On the right, and I Go To the right (along the path). | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 9:29 am | ||
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| yatsek | Re: No 12 | |
Hasn't voted | >Thank you for lifting some of that comma taboo for me(that's really what it was becoming!).< You're welcome. >Are you an English teacher or what?< I was, for twenty years - last year still taught general English at a technical university. But I don't like state-run schools, nor clinics. >Ha! You maybe meant: in front of the Iron Curtain.< Exactly. :) >I lived in Berlin (W at first, then united) for 10 years, and remember the raising of the curtain times (falling of the wall).< I guess you didn't feel like jumping over that wall. >We are somewhat complicated animals, aren't we? We people I mean....It's a thick book, an insight of modern China, and not once will you find the word "We" in it.< I see you enjoyed reading the book although you're a bit different from the author. :) Talking of books about mountain folk, there's a splendid Carpathian trilogy written by S. Vincenz, whose ancestors were French (so there may be a French version as well), and who got to the other side of the curtain just as it was about to be drawn. >tell me if I'm OK with: the path Is On the right, and I Go To the right (along the path).< I'm sure "there's a path on the right" is right, probably both are OK but I'm not a purist. I guess musicians and extreme climbers just can't afford a mistake :) Anyway, you can "Turn right". | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 10:45 am | ||
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| megla | Re: No 12 | |
Voted 10/10 | Excuse me for splattering my ego pbs. on this page, but I must discuss the denomination: I'm not an extreme climber, but an awful climber. ABO is one step beyond ED. ABO stands for abominable, a french version (maybe only one of them, though) of the UIAA ban lifting of the VI grade. ED (extremement difficile), TD, D, AD, PD, F are often found in relation to alpine climbing, and mainly also understood by non-frenchspoken (like a euro-in-french NCCS line, maybe). I'm not sure, but it might of been a Gabarou (see gullies and much more) which threw the idea in. Like he'd be opening routes tougher (in general and specifically) than those graded ED ("extreme"), so he said ABO (awful). Now awful is worse than extreme, or isn't it? Back to my ego (last time). Thanks for having read my new profile text. The ex before alpinist means that I used to be an alpinist, now I'm a used alpinist. I have a beginner's mind again. I still don't get why you entered the coordinates the way you did (or are you just about changing that?). Is it you associate English and the sea, is it that? | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 11:28 am | ||
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| yatsek | Re: No 12 | |
Hasn't voted | I must admit I don't get such sophisticated grades at all as I never did anything harder than IV+. But one doesn't have to read your profile page to make sure you’re an awfully good climber, your pages and pix will suffice. As to the coordinates, yep, I associate English with both sea and trouble, and I was looking for a sea in which one can get easily lost but somewhere between Spain and Eastern Europe since it's Europeans from that part of the continent who – understandably - have more difficulty using English than the others. Where can I find those statistics by Pit Schubert you mentioned? | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 1:50 pm | ||
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| megla | Re: No 12 | |
Voted 10/10 | Are the coordinates then a geo stastical result? For SP? Like: where does one speak the poorest non native English considering (or not) the amount of contributions per square mile? All I have (for now) on Pit Schubert is: http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/2206/ | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 2:38 pm | ||
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| yatsek | Re: No 12 | |
Hasn't voted | Not yet Borut - rather an old, say, 19th century school speculation; or actually like your Like :) Funnily enough, it looks like I can understand part of what's on the page about the book by Pit Schubert although it's not in English at all. LOL Hvala Jacek | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 3:19 pm | ||
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| megla | Re: No 12 | |
Voted 10/10 | Modern Mountaineering (Alpinism, climbing for the sake of climbing) was officially a British (or even English, I'm not sure) invention. That's what I associate with English. A lexicon with properly explained (or photographed) rock, ice and snow features would also be a page I'd soon know by heart. Thank You again for Your nice job, and the long chat. | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 4:10 pm | ||
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| yatsek | Re: No 12 | |
Hasn't voted | You're always welcome if you have any questions about this funny language, or about my beloved Carpathians. :) | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 4:17 pm | ||
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| megla | Re: No 12 | |
Voted 10/10 | Here's a link "auf deutsch" of Schubert's book on safe climbing. Sicherheit und Risiko in Fels und Eis, Bergverlag Rother, Band 1, 7. Auflage, 2004, ISBN 3763360166; Band 2, 2002, ISBN 3763360182; Band 3, 2006, ISBN 376336031X | |
| Posted Aug 15, 2009 3:26 pm | ||
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| yatsek | Re: No 12 | |
Hasn't voted | Thanks. But it would be easier for me to read it in Slovenian.:) | |
| Posted Aug 18, 2009 2:18 pm | ||
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