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| peterbud | Why not | |
Voted 10/10 | take over the Europe's highpoints list? As to Ukraine, Gora/Hora means "mountain", and G vs H (also in Hoverla/Goverla) is a spelling variant. And BTW, congratulations ;) | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 12:44 pm | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Why not | |
Hasn't voted | Why not? Because it contains errors, as you can see when you read my article | |
| Posted Aug 19, 2009 6:04 am | ||
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| peterbud | Re: Why not | |
Voted 10/10 | The point in taking over that page is that you'd be able to correct those errors, but of course it's up to you :) | |
| Posted Aug 19, 2009 6:31 am | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Why not | |
Hasn't voted | http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.php?object_id=544743&confirm_post=7 tells you why NOT. | |
| Posted Aug 27, 2009 6:30 am | ||
| toc | Free Territory of Trieste? | |
Hasn't voted | Highest point was Monte Castellaro/Veliko Gradiš?e. | |
| Posted Jul 3, 2009 2:53 pm | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Free Territory of Trieste? | |
Hasn't voted | If one reads the 1947 peace treaty, article 22 - http://www.freeterritorytrieste.com/pax.html - one comes to the conclusion that Monte Castellaro/Veliko Gradisce did NOT belong to the Free Territory of Trieste, while Monte Cocusso/Kokos did. Refer also to http://xoomer.virgilio.it/venerdibike/cocusso_uno_file/cocusso_uno.htm: Cocusso il monte più alto nella Provincia di Trieste. And the map at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/venerdibike/cocusso_uno_file/COCUSSO_LIGHT.jpg | |
| Posted Jul 4, 2009 4:35 pm | ||
| McCannster | Great Job... | |
Voted 10/10 | ...on your accomplishment Wolfgang. You have earned sufficient bragging rights! | |
| Posted Jul 4, 2009 1:17 pm | ||
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| Corax | Re: Great Job... | |
Hasn't voted | I second that! | |
| Posted Jul 5, 2009 7:00 am | ||
| Arthur Digbee | Congratulations! | |
Voted 10/10 | Have you signed all the SP summit logs yet? ;) | |
| Posted Jul 4, 2009 2:20 pm | ||
| visentin | Andorra ? Lichenstein ? | |
Voted 10/10 | Have you climbed them ? Congratulations for your trip, but such "list" sounds a bit odd for me. Mountains are almost always borders, hence all the "troubles" as you described... I'd rather climb all summits of all European main ranges, it would make more sense... For example Aneto, Pyrenees's highest, is not any country's highest top, however it is certainly more challenging than Andorra. | |
| Posted Jul 5, 2009 11:01 am | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Andorra ? Liechtenstein ? | |
Hasn't voted | "It would make more sense..." That exactly is the question. As I said, my program has more to do with politics than with mountaineering. The challenge is often to reach the mountain in question, rather than climb it. The "sense" is to learn about Europe in all its political facets. Which sense lies in mountaineering at all? Everybody to his/her taste. | |
| Posted Jul 5, 2009 12:27 pm | ||
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| visentin | Re: Andorra ? Liechtenstein ? | |
Voted 10/10 | I understand, but please explain to me what kind of satisfaction you get when you "climb" to 24 Chemin des Révoires (after buying a train ticket & hotel in Monaco) ? | |
| Posted Jul 6, 2009 8:07 am | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Andorra ? Liechtenstein ? | |
Hasn't voted | Very simple, Visentin: It's the sheer craziness of the act. Mountain climbing via lift. Exploring where exactly the border of Monaco runs. Identifying the place. Sniffing around on private property for a highest point in the corner of a garden. Being expelled by the owner - all this together a completely novel set of adventures. Finally it is the feeling that I am the ONLY one doing things like that. I am exquisite, exclusive in that respect. Later in your life, when you are getting older and worn out, you will discover the pleasures of nonsense. Climbing is applied nonsense. And a nice, attractive form. I just explore the spectrum to its fullest. | |
| Posted Jul 6, 2009 10:25 am | ||
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| visentin | Re: Andorra ? Liechtenstein ? | |
Voted 10/10 | I understand :) What about my question, what are Andorra and Liechtenstein tops ? You may include in your list, just to make sure not to loose accidentally your title in a near future, the tops of: - Turkish Cyprus - Serbian Voivodine - Herzegovina - Bosnia (those 2 if you considered Bosnia&Herzegovina as 1) - Transdniestria - Abkhazia - High Karabah ... :) | |
| Posted Jul 6, 2009 11:05 am | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Andorra ? Liechtenstein ? | |
Hasn't voted | All of them climbed and covered in my list: http://www.gipfel-und-grenzen.de/die_hoechsten.php?sprache=EN Andorra: # 24, Liechtenstein # 34, Turkish Cyprus: # 71, Vojvodina: Guduricki vrh, covered in the chapter of Serbia (since the Vojvodina is not truly autonomous she will not get her stand-alone chapter), Transnistria: # 108, Bosnia: Republika Srpska: # 41, Croatian/muslim Federation: # 44, jointly administered area of Brcko: in chapter 83. Abkhasia and Nagorny Karabakh are not considered Europe in my definition. The Caucasus main ridge forms the border; others may see this differently, but somewhere I have to draw a line. Satisfied? | |
| Posted Jul 6, 2009 11:59 am | ||
| Klenke | Great accomplishment | |
Hasn't voted | I suppose to be able to account for the uncertainties in defining all of the true country highpoints (colonial islands as true highpoints, triangulation uncertainties, etc.), it would be wise to cover all of those bases too so no one can refute you with "but but" comments. So if there are 49 countries there may actually be 50-something total tops you have to visit. Also, it's only bragging if you use bold font in your report. And of course to ask the question in the first place. ;-) | |
| Posted Jul 8, 2009 12:40 pm | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Great accomplishment | |
Hasn't voted | Rest assured, Klenke, to account for the uncertainties I had to climb 4 mountains in Montenegro, 2 in Norway, visit 2 summits of the same mountain in Sweden, and walk up to 3 in Lithuania, 3 in Denmark and 2 in Luxembourg, not to forget Mont Blanc de Courmayeur. All done. There is too much superficialty in unveiling the most important, ultimate mystery of Europe. As a scientist I cannot bear this. Nevertheless, all who have to offer more "but, buts" are cordially invited to challenge me. | |
| Posted Jul 8, 2009 1:58 pm | ||
| Joerg Marretsch | Congratulation .. | |
Voted 10/10 | .. for your collection. I read your list a few times in the last years. I`m at the beginning of the race (18 European high points). | |
| Posted Jul 9, 2009 1:22 pm | ||
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| Wolfgang Schaub | Re: Congratulation .. | |
Hasn't voted | Good luck! It's never too late. | |
| Posted Jul 9, 2009 4:47 pm | ||
| jimorothy | "First?" | |
Hasn't voted | Well done. You came to a similar conclusion about the high points that we did after research. We completed Europe's High points in 2007, making Rachel the first known woman. However, we don't believe we were the first people, that honour would go to the dude known as Gingefullen, even though his list might have varied somewhat when he first did it in 1999 - he has since done some clearing up exercises and had new states finished around 2007 I think, there were also some Norwegians chasing them and also another British guy after Gingefullen. We have written the Europe's High Points guide, available to buy on October the 15th at various sites and stores including Amazon, so it might be of interest to you. Anyway, well done, I bet you had a hell of an adventure like we did. | |
| Posted Jul 29, 2009 9:53 am | ||
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