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Is it impossible to summit every mountain in the world?

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CheesySciFi


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:42 am GMT  Quote
 
jhodlof wrote:
After seeing the 14ers post from Chicago Transplant and the other list prominent posts, I've got ask: what is so great about finishing a list, any list, be it all the ranked peaks of earth, all the CO 14ers or 13ers, or any other? They are all just arbitrary lists based on arbitrary criteria. State high points? Why is a hill in Indiana or Florida great just because it falls within a political boundary? What makes 14ers so great, and why is a 14,001' walk up so important and not a 13,999' 5.7 climb? The rest of the world uses metric anyway and 14,000 feet means next to nothing to them.


Why 14,000 feet? You're right that in some ways it's arbitrary, but on the other hand, there is some sense to it, as there is nothing that reaches 15,000 feet outside of Alaska. It also makes for a challenging but achievable group of mountains to summit. Expanding the list to 13rs adds hundreds of peaks in California and Colorado alone. Restricting the list of 14ers to the lower 48 states also keeps the list manageable, as some Alaskan 14ers like Mount Hunter are truly daunting.

Another question: Why 300 feet of prominence? Why not 200 or 400? Are there not "subpeaks" that are worthy destinations in themselves?
JustinShapiro


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:32 am GMT  Quote
 
CheesySciFi wrote:

Another question: Why 300 feet of prominence? Why not 200 or 400? Are there not "subpeaks" that are worthy destinations in themselves?


As you probably know, the rule that any mountain that does not have 300+ of prominence isn't a ranked peak and therefor, climbing a peak of 299 feet of prominence would be equivalent to climbing a peak with 1 foot of prominence. Thats the narrow down part. Anything that has a promince of 300 feet and above is on the list.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:34 am GMT  Quote
 
Using a minimum prominence to define what is a peak is obviously necessary, because otherwise every little bump and rock on a landscape would count as a separate summit. But the choice of what that cutoff should be is arbitrary, of course. For many, that choice is 300 feet.

I personally think that if we are going to choose a number, it should at least only be as arbitrary as the size of our planet, using a dimension based on it, which is how the metric system is based. (One meter was established as one ten-millionth the distance from the Equator to the North Pole.)

The value of prominence would still be arbitrary, but at least it would be based on something specific to the planet. So 100 meters makes more sense to me as a prominence cutoff for defining what is a peak.

Of course the value one hundred and using powers of ten is only a consequence of the number of digits we have on our hands. If humans had only 8 fingers, we likely would be using an octal system, in which the number one-zero-zero would equal 64 decimal. A 64-meter (100 octal - meter) cutoff would be a lot more fun, as it would make for a lot more summits being defined as peaks!

(One-hundred meters is about 328 feet, and sixty-four meters is about 210 feet.)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:49 pm GMT  Quote
 
Day Hiker wrote:


Of course the value one hundred and using powers of ten is only a consequence of the number of digits we have on our hands. If humans had only 8 fingers, we likely would be using an octal system, in which the number one-zero-zero would equal 64 decimal.


Bart Simpson has just 8 fingers.
isostatic


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:59 pm GMT  Quote
 
MoapaPk wrote:
Bart Simpson has just 8 fingers.




Correct!
RayMondo


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:38 pm GMT  Quote
 
MoapaPk wrote:
Day Hiker wrote:


Of course the value one hundred and using powers of ten is only a consequence of the number of digits we have on our hands. If humans had only 8 fingers, we likely would be using an octal system, in which the number one-zero-zero would equal 64 decimal.


Bart Simpson has just 8 fingers.


But Bart makes up for the loss in his feet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polydactyly_01_Lfoot_AP.jpg
Also available in the hands. So if one is unfortunate enough to get frostbite - you get a couple of spares!
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xDoogiex


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:07 am GMT  Quote
 
Wait, so Mt. Sunflower really isn't a mountain?!?!?
Hotoven


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:11 am GMT  Quote
 
xDoogiex wrote:
Wait, so Mt. Sunflower really isn't a mountain?!?!?


It doesn't seem like one if you do the drive up, but if you ever tackle the north face of that joint, it is without a doubt a fierce and deadly Mountain. The Locals call it Mt. Hell Flower.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:40 am GMT  Quote
 
Pivvay wrote:
xDoogiex wrote:
I wanted to do the explorers grand slam: the 7 summits and both poles.


If you do anything actually hard, you may come to realize that this is not really exploring anymore. Just a thought...


Bullshit, exploring is personal, it doesn't matter if someone else has done it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:29 am GMT  Quote
 
I'm fond of range highpoints, each time I summit a new one I can always see another on the horizon.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:58 pm GMT  Quote
 
calebEOC wrote:
I'm fond of range highpoints, each time I summit a new one I can always see another on the horizon.


I'm fond of any highpoints!
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