Adventure Pass - Non-Compliance notice

[kevin trieu]

So I got my first Non-Compliance notice from parking in an Adventure Pass Required area in the Holcomb Valley in Big Bear. I've read up on this policy and get different details regarding its legality. So should I go pay the $5 or accumulate these non-compliance notices and use them for my next campfire in New Jack City?

[wingding]

Accumulate them. I have a combined annual national parks/adventure pass, but I rarely remember to place it in the windshield before I head out. So far I've received 3 tickets and ignored them to see what would happen - nothing happened.

[Diggler]

Those passes are bullshit. What's the punishment if you don't pay?

[fedak]

I'm the same as wingding- I've got the Golden Eagle pass but occasionally forget to put it on the windshield. Never paid any of the "noncompliance notices" and never seen any fallout

FWIW, the adventure pass *really* bothers me. I can see the point of paying a use fee for a developed area, but see absolutely no reason we should have to pay to park on a forest road.

[ksolem]

Not only is this fee unreasonable and probably illegal, but the Orwellian designation "Adventure Pass" adds insult to injury. I will never ever buy one or pay this fee.

[pauld932]

Having done much research on this, along with receiving numerous "violations" there is no punishment. This program was set up for voluntary compliance to test the willingness of users of the NF to "pay to play". However, in true government fashion they stack the deck by trying to intimidate you into paying the fine and thus "supporting" the program.

I wouldn'y mind so much if I saw the improvements that were suppose to occur as a result of this Fee (read tax).

There has been some litigation for people who have accumulated many violations but I have not heard of any lately. There are exceptions to needing the pass such as if you are working, medical necessity to excercise, religious practices, etc.. If you are ever asked, you are hiking/biking/ climbing for one of those reasons, NEVER because you are recreating.

My advice use the violations to wall paper your bathroom.

[Deb]

I got a ticket at Holcomb too - didn't realize that the pass was needed so I updated the page to mention it.
I just throw the things away after making many lewd and ridiculous comments with a smile. Don't mind buying the pass to "help out," but the tickets are kind of silly since they are not enforced or followed up.

[Luciano136]

If you call in your Adventure Pass number, the $5 tickets gets discarded. Pretty easy really...

As long as the funds are going back into forest programs, I don't have a problem paying $35 a year. Won't break the bank...

[Blair]

I have a friend that puts his $5 dollar day pass up (without scratching off the day) over and over,and has never been bothered. As Bruno says, I dont mind buying the annual pass, not expensive, as long as the money is being used to clean up the trailheads and all. If people would just PACK OUT WHAT THEY PACK IN, this wouldnt be a problem.

[MoabPeakBagger]

fuck government extortion.

If no one succumbed to this disgusting coersive policy, the FS would abandon it. Resistance is the first step-- don't pay.

[Luciano136]

Why all the resistance to pay the $35 ? For once, we actually know WHY we pay it. Funny that everyone just pays his regular taxes and takes it up the ass, although we don't have a single idea where that money really goes...

[MoabPeakBagger]

Because a portion of my taxes (1% or so) goes to the Dept. of Agriculture, of which the USFS is a part, so I've already paid my due.

If the FS is hard up for cash, they could start charging reasonable fees for logging & grazing & mining.

Currently, an FS grazier pays roughly $1.50 per AUM (Animal Unit Month- forage for a cow and her calf). This is at a minimum 10% of what the same would fetch on the free market.

Currently, the FS actually LOSES money each year on logging, because so little is charged to the logging companies.

Currently, once someone files a valid mining claim on FS land, the FS must sell that land to the claimant for $2.50 an acre.

This is ridiculous. The USFS allows subsidized raping of our public lands, while charging me $35 a year to hike. NO WAY.

[Craig Peer]

[Dingus Milktoast]

Ksolem I wish you were right but I've never seen anyone produce any evidence that Congress is prohibited from levying fees to access publilc lands.

They revamped the fee program when they renewed it (and changed the name from Demo Fee Program to Adventure Pass). Part of that revamp was to be on the enforcement and judicial side.

Do not be surprised if you have challenges renewing your car registration next time around, that sort of thing. I know it was discussed.

But the original demo program didn't really have any enforcement provisions and certainly no money. But the revamped program, I thought, included a piece for Justice.

I'm pretty sure they CAN come after you if they decide, whereas with the Fee Demo they could not.

I gave up on all the fee protest bullshit a while back. I just stick the fricking NPS park pass in the windshield and fuggitaboutit. I need an NPS park pass anyway, so whatever...

DMT

[Tom Kenney]