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Postby visentin » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:08 am

I agree if the auto-positioning of pictures with an integrated GPS is the remedy to this "bug". But otherwise, put yourself instead of the majority of people here, who just have a compact basic camera and just want to enjoy the sharing with others... no one will "play" to enter the position of every pic... have you only done it with all of yours ?
Furthermore from the mountaineering point of view, I don't see much the use of it, unless you plan to climb a very difficult or very desertic mountain like FortMental.
I've hiked dozens of new peaks in the Pyrenees taking all informations I could on internet; most of the time I type in Google the name of the peak plus/or the name of the valley or spot from which I want to see how does the route look like, and it was fine.
I believe it may be easier in Europe since most places have well-established known names, so I don't see the use of GPS on pictures in the Alps and so on.
On the other hand, for the one who goes to Nepal or some remote point of the Rockies, probably OM was right to raise this point... But I'm not the best person for saying it. Perhaps the advice of persons like Corax would be more interesting
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Postby The Chief » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:30 am

While you are all at it, I recommend that you also dissolve the words "Adventure & Challenge" from this activity we call Climbing/Mountaineering.

Any future notions of not knowing what lies ahead is not to be allowed.

All environments in which this Mountaineering/Climbing activity takes place, must be fully controlled by all technological means available.
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Postby visentin » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:36 am

The Chief wrote:Any future notions of not knowing what lies ahead is not to be allowed.

I don't agree. Not knowing doesn't mean always put itself into danger. You can hike a new mountain without having a precise idea of how it looks like in one place; but as far as you see it's OK, venture in it as long as you can turn back if it turns to be not good (this is the real "safe" rule, obstination is the real defect of unsafe mountaineers).
Trying to know 100% a mountain before we go removes the taste of exploring, and the charm of going to mountains which is in all of us
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Postby mvs » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:31 am

This is where "Adventure Man," alive in all of us here, conflicts with "Geek Man," who sits at home and dreams up tags and geo-references and all kinds of "information at your fingertips" ideas. Geek Man will certainly win, but I see no need to speed him along :lol:

That said I really want a program to pull EXIF title/description data from my image into summitpost automatically. Sick of re-typing...
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Postby TheOrglingLlama » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:23 pm

If that ain't the ultimate pussies way out, I don't know what is.


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Postby MoapaPk » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:37 pm

Back to the topic. In a few of my meager contributions, I tried to put in the coordinates of every photo (meaning where I was standing at the time). It was a vast pain-in-the-butt, and mainly seemed like wasted effort. My camera doesn't stamp the coordinates in the exif, so I went back to the tracks in ExpertGPS, and pulled the coordinates of the GPX files.

I always add a map to the mountain or route pages, and point out where the pictures were taken relative to the map. I somehow think the exact coords would really just be relevant if the photo were attached to some route, mountain, or range page; and then it would be better to say: "this picture was taken looking NW, at point XX on the map (figure nn)." The exact coords would be supremely irrelevant for rock climbs or pictures of wildlife.

And of course, I'm not doing big climbs on 8000m peaks.
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Postby om » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:03 pm

TheOrglingLlama wrote:I recommend not voting unless the poster of the photo has a GPS chip embedded in his / her forehead, linked via Bluetooth to their digital camera ..

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I was only speaking about SP standard feature when adding a picture. Coordinates are set automaticly when giving the position on the small google map (satellite view or relief)... No need to know about GPS or Coordinates themselves.
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Postby MoapaPk » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:35 pm

om wrote:I was only speaking about SP standard feature when adding a picture. Coordinates are set automaticly when giving the position on the small google map... No need to know about GPS or Coordinates themselves.


I haven't found the map app too useful, probably because in the past I have tried to be accurate to within +/- 20'. I can rarely ever get to a zoom level where I can pinpoint the position, whether I use the "hybrid" mode or the crude terrain model. I guess we are shooting for different things -- e.g. I was trying pinpoint the exact descent chute, when incorrect chutes are within 50'. Personally, I'd rather have people pull such information from the parent article.
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Postby visentin » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:42 pm

btw, a stupid question: what position should we enter: the mountain we photograph, or the mountain on which we stand ?
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Postby Smoove910 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:37 pm

If I need to get actual details of where I'm going, I use Google Earth. SP is used only for a view of the 'lay of the land'.
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Postby TheOrglingLlama » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:30 pm

When purchasing a digital camera, your primary consideration should be the number of votes your pictures will get on SP :mrgreen:
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Postby Alpinist » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:19 pm

Let me toss something else into this already confusing mix. If SP were to assign the coordinates to an image based on the coordinates of the mountain page, which coordinates would it assign if the image is attached to more than 1 peak or route page? For example, I'm standing on Peak X and took a photo of Peak Y, and then attach the photo to both pages in SP. That obviously won't work too well.

As others have mentioned, I have no way of knowing exactly where my photos were taken since my camera doesn't track GPS coordinates. To go back and study a map in an attempt to try and guess the position is madness. Madness I tell you. It would be huge effort for very little benefit.

The better option is to simply state in the photo comments approximately where the photo was taken. "Photo taken from the north side of Peak X just below the summit."
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Postby MoapaPk » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:58 pm

TheOrglingLlama wrote:When purchasing a digital camera, your primary consideration should be the number of votes your pictures will get on SP :mrgreen:


Camera color is important, too. A bright pink camera is easier to find when misplaced.
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