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Postby eferesen » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:37 pm

I am doing 1/3 (only Pico de Orizaba) of what you are doing during thanksgiving. Just bought my plane ticket.

Here is some info I got from an SPer imvertical http://www.summitpost.org/user_page.php?user_id=28915

I am just quoting his quote. He knows a lot and has a TR. Hope this helps.

As far as Mexican volcanoes are concerned, I would say with a good
partner and a bit of planning you could pull those off pretty easy. My
first time down there was a bit intimidating, especially since I speak next
to no Spanish. But Mexico is really easy to travel in, and the people were
ever so friendly. The food is amazing. I have heard the guides down there
do not come cheap either, but never actually contacted one. The hardest
part of the trip is getting from Mexico city to Tlachichuca(Orizaba) and
Amecameca(Izta). I think that the guide services that help you do that
will cost nearly as much as the US companies.

We booked our Tlachichuca to PG transport through Fred listed on this
site:
http://www.picodeorizaba.com/
I see they also have a guide on that site too, but I have not met him.

I have also stayed with Reyes, and they are both very good operations.
Sr. Limon, is hilarious, and I would highly recommend him. Fred, can make
reservations at Limon's, when I stayed w/ Reyes, we just showed up. For
Izta, local Hotel San Carlo in Amecamca is the most central.

Iztaccihuatl requires no real technical skills, and should not present
terrain much tougher than typical Class 2-3 fourteeners. The only
exception would be if you got off route...but that happens on 14ers too:)
It is however, a long haul. Allow a couple of days on this mountain(more
if it is the 1st one you do), and take advantage of the huts. There is a
hut at the microwave towers that is supposed to be pretty nice, and the
Grupo de los Cien hut...well, see my video. Not that bad though for a bed
at over 15000'. There are also areas for tents there. I can probably send
you our GPS points too that would be useful if you did get some nasty
weather.

The descriptions of Orizaba make it sound intimidating. A fall high on
the glacier would be bad, but some practice with an ice axe or even a
mountain travel class would get you the knowledge you need. Up to 17,000'
is pretty straight forward, with only some steep spots in the Labyrinth.
There is an easier way and a harder way through the Labyrinth(of course).
The upper glacier is pretty steep, but can be switched back. Snow
conditions are best at the end of Nov through Dec, and start to ice up in
Jan. The weather before Jan can bring more storms, though. I also have
tons of GPS data from this peak. Might be more handy as whiteout could be
troublesome on that glacier.

If you would like help with planning, I would be glad to assist. I still
have all my gear lists and such. In general, allow 5 days for which ever
mountain you do first, and 3 for the next. Travel between locations can be
accomplished in one day. I have to be honest, though, I have never used a
guide, but that just adds to the adventure!

Let me know if I can help and good luck!

Dan
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Guide info

Postby eferesen » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:12 pm

One the guide gave me this info. I'm not sure if it is helpful, but here it is anyway.

From airport (Mexico city) you will take a Bus straight to Puebla city "Estrella Roja" you can will sleep there in Puebla city, In the square near to Catedral you find the "Hotel Catedral or Hotel Colonial " next day you go to Bus station "CAPU" and take the bus for Tlachichuca in "Bus VALLES" we can meet in Cancholas House" you can ask where is it, all people now where live Joaquin Canchola.

The airport in Puebla is long distance from Puebla city I recomend you take the bus from Mexico city to Puebla and take a taxi for the hotel, Hotel Catedral is more cheap than Colonial.
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Postby rcntly4298 » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:49 pm

My buddy and I are heading down there 11/16 - 11/24 to do Orizaba and Izta. It gets very busy on Orizaba over Christmas. I would suggest another date if it can work for you.

Senor Joaquin or Gerrado have great establishments. I have never used Senor Gerrado's services but I hear that they are very good. I have been extremely happy with Senor Joaquin over the years, so I never wanted to change.

You can purchase large jugs of boiled water from Senor Joaquin to take up to Orizaba. As the other person said, I would avoid trying to get water on the mountain.

If you are able to change your trip dates to Thanksgiving, we would be more than happy to have another person with us.

Here is our itinerary in case you are interested:

11/16 - Arrive Mexico City at 2:00 p.m. Catch bus from airport to Puebla. Catch bus from Puebla to Tlachichuca. Spend night at Senor Joaquin's (8000 feet)

11/17 - Senor Joaquin takes up to 11,500 feet on Orizaba. Make camp and spend night.

11/18 - Senor Joaquin picks up our gear at 11,500 and transports it to Piedra Grande at 14,500 feet. We hike to 14,500 and then make camp.

11/19 - Hike up to base of glacier around 16,000 feet. Go back down to 14,500 to sleep

11/20 - Rest and then leave 11:30 p.m. for summit

11/21 - Summit and then head back down to Piedra Grande. Catch ride with Senor Joaquin back down to Tlachichuca. Take showers and then catch bus to Puebla. Sleep in Puebla.

11/22 - Take bus from Puebla to Amecameca. Store non essential gear at hotel in Amecameca. Catch ride to La Joya on Izta. Start for hut in the afternoon. Rest and head for summit around midnight

11/23 - Summit and then head back down to Amecameca. Take bus to Puebla. Take bus from Puebla to Mexico City Airport. Stay at Hilton inside the International Terminal.

11/24 - Fly Home
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Postby Kurt Wedberg » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:44 pm

In these days of everybody being paranoid about water and treating everything this might sound strange but I'll say it anyway as an alternative to purchasing pre-boiled water in case it isn't available...

I've guided lots of trips to Mexico's Volcanoes since my first trip in 1987. I have drank the water from the spring near the Pierdra Grande hut on Orizaba many times without treating it and have never got sick.

Most people boil their water for hot drinks and making dinner. For drinking, many parties bring a big collapsable empty water jug, fill it at the spring, and throw some pills into it. A filter or Steri-Pen also can work fine. Since people normally drive to the hut weight isn't much of an issue.
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Postby The Defiant One » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:02 pm

Kurt Wedberg wrote:I've guided lots of trips to Mexico's Volcanoes since my first trip in 1987. I have drank the water from the spring near the Pierdra Grande hut on Orizaba many times without treating it and have never got sick.


I drank a ton of untreated/unboiled water from this spring earlier this year. No problems for me either.


Everyone enjoy your trips.
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Postby Kurt Wedberg » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:54 pm

bird wrote:
Kurt Wedberg wrote:In these days of everybody being paranoid about water and treating everything this might sound strange but I'll say it anyway as an alternative to purchasing pre-boiled water in case it isn't available...

I've guided lots of trips to Mexico's Volcanoes since my first trip in 1987. I have drank the water from the spring near the Pierdra Grande hut on Orizaba many times without treating it and have never got sick.

Most people boil their water for hot drinks and making dinner. For drinking, many parties bring a big collapsable empty water jug, fill it at the spring, and throw some pills into it. A filter or Steri-Pen also can work fine. Since people normally drive to the hut weight isn't much of an issue.


It's a risk reward thing...You can easily bring a few gallons of water in a Jeep to PG and have virtually no worries about getting sick. Or you can drink mexican water and risk it. The risk of spending your trip (and money) with the "runs" seems too high to me. Just my 2 cents


bird... you are correct in that it can be a risk/reward issue and when on this trip you are far from home. This is why I mentioned what most people do with their water. As a general rule of thumb I feel pretty good about fresh spring water and in the case of this spring I know it is fine (thanks Defiant One for adding that you have had the same experience). Since the risk factor is higher though it makes people feel more comfortable treating the water. It can't hurt. The only reason I don't besides knowing it is safe is I like the taste of fresh spring water. I would recommend bringing some kind of water treatment method though instead of solely relying on buying pre-boiled water in case it isn't available.

By the way... I rarely treat any water in the Sierra and don't get sick from that either. I offer a treatment method to anyone on our trips who would feel better drinking treated water. To me though fresh Sierra water is some of the finest liquid on the planet.
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Postby Woodie Hopper » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:58 am

All you have to do is load a big 10 liter plastic water bottle you can buy at almost any grocery store in the truck- they were about $1.50 last year (dollars, not pesos, that is). Then you're set, except of course for your apres beer!

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Postby jsype » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:00 am

I also have drank directly from the pipe at Piedra Grande without treating -- although to each his own.

I thoroughly enjoyed the hospitality at Senor Reyes place in Tlachichuca. They provided transportation to our acclimitization camp outside the village of Hidlago. They also picked us up at Piedra Grande on a prespecified date. The climbing dormitory they had there was cool -- had a chance to meet some other folks from around the world. Went unguided, so I don't know if his guides are good or not.
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Postby bc44caesar » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:01 am

I did a similar trip a couple of years ago...in case it's helpful here's the itinerary I followed:

Day 1: Arrive in Mexico City and take bus to Tlaxcala. Stayed at a hotel
Day 2: Took a bus to Apizaco, then a taxi to the resort on La Malinche (should've taken the combi). Camped at the resort
Day 3: Climbed La Malinche and spent another night at the camp
Day 4: Variety of transportation to Amecameca, then a taxi to La Joya. Camped there
Day 5: Summited via La Arista del Sol and camped next to the hut below the knees
Day 6: Descended and made my way to Tlachichuca. Stayed at Sr. Gerar (highly recommended)
Day 7: 4x4 to south side of Orizaba (bought 10L of water from Sr. Gerar). Stayed at hut
Day 8: Summited Orizaba via Ruta Sur. Camped at the saddle between Orizaba and Sierra Negra
Day 9: Hiked up Sierra Negra, but not to true summit due to electrified fences. Sr. Gerar picked me up and took me back to Tlachichuca.

If you have any questions about particulars I'd be happy to answer.

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Postby rcntly4298 » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:14 pm

TINA TRETINA wrote:I'm scheduled to arrive in Mexico City around 12:30 pm on Nov 16th! Wooo hooo! :P

Guess I'm not going during X-Mas now.

Thanks Andy!!! Looking forward to meeting you and climbing together. Like I said, I'll be more than happy to repay the logistical favour by meeting you in Talkeetna next summer and heading up for Denali! :wink:


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Recommend a hotel

Postby eferesen » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:23 pm

Can anyone recommend a hotel in Mexico City? Something cheap
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Re: Recommend a hotel

Postby Haliku » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:22 pm

eferesen wrote:Can anyone recommend a hotel in Mexico City? Something cheap


Where are you interested in a hotel? And how cheap is cheap? A short taxi ride from the airport is Hotel Fleming. Its about $35 but it is a secured building in a decent area. Cheers!
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Postby dayinthelife » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:54 pm

We've stayed at Hotel Principal, in the Centro Historico, and liked it very much. It is not close to the airport, however. It's easily reached via the metro (subway) and the last time we were there it was less than $30/nt for a double. Clean, simple, safe. That was in the last year, or thereabouts. If you have time, that is an interesting part of the city to do some 'touristing'. Have fun.
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Postby rob_runkle » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:05 pm

My buddy are planning this as a possible December trip also. Plan looks like this. Fly into MX City around 10pm on Dec17. Fly out on Dec23. Plan is to hit Orizaba for sure, and maybe Itza.

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