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Postby Andinistaloco » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:14 am

Bob Sihler wrote:Cairns on the summit? I still don't see why unless the highpoint is vague.


To keep the snow and rain off the register!

Sheesh, Bob....
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Postby Bob Sihler » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:19 am

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:
Bob Sihler wrote:I apologize and wish to clarify, way too late now, that by bringing up "Cairns and Registers," I meant summit cairns.

I have no real problem with cairned routes when the way is complicated or dangerous or when there is a need to establish one path out of concerns for the environment (as in the desert or across tundra). When the route is obvious and/or the cairns are pointless or misleading, though, I am all for tearing them down and have done so myself several times.

I have also made my own cairns at times to mark an off-trail route that I worried I might have trouble finding again, but I have dismantled them on the way back.

Cairns on the summit? I still don't see why unless the highpoint is vague.


THE DESTROYER DOESN'T CARE WHETHER THE CAIRNS ARE ON THE SUMMIT OR ON THE TRAIL, THEY WILL ALL BE DESTROYED.


Go for it!
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Postby Day Hiker » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:08 am

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:There are certain things that I know I'll never change, like the hut on top of Mount Whitney.


Hey, never give up. Someday, it may change.

My personal project is the Glen Canyon Dam.

Never give up.
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Postby Day Hiker » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:40 am

Bob Burd wrote:
Day Hiker wrote:What is the highest point in the contiguous United States? It's the stupid metal cap on the chimney on the Smithsonian Hut on Mount Whitney. This fact is rather irritating. Highpoints should be natural features.


Not true. It would probably have been dismantled by eco-terrorists if it were.

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Hey, Bob. It looks like your camera angle is a result of the added height of your body from standing while you took the photo. Here is a photo taken from a little closer to the summit rocks, from a seated position:

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The photo may still not be absolute proof, but in my photo, I think my camera's perspective is still not down to the level of the highest rock. I'm pretty sure that when the viewer is actually on the summit area, a visual inspection of the rocks versus the hut shows the hut chimney to win by a few feet. I know I have deliberately made the visual comparison while up there on several different occasions, but now I'm going to have to check yet one more time, the next time I go!

(Or I will ask Rick Kent to check, since winter is coming, and he will obviously be there again before me!)
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Postby Bob Burd » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:02 pm

Looks like you could be right. If proven so, I may have to smack down the smokestack on my next visit (which, unlike Rick, isn't likely to be anytime soon). Or maybe I'll contract Sean to do it - if he exits via the Shepherd Pass Trail again, he'll throw the Park Service off his scent.
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Postby graham » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:27 pm

Bob Burd wrote:
Day Hiker wrote:What is the highest point in the contiguous United States? It's the stupid metal cap on the chimney on the Smithsonian Hut on Mount Whitney. This fact is rather irritating. Highpoints should be natural features.


Not true. It would probably have been dismantled by eco-terrorists if it were.

Bob, it’s true!. This “highest point” issue was debated several years ago over on the WPSMB. To resolve the debate, several of us took a construction bubble level and sighted off the highest rock and/or summit marker and in all cases the chimney is about a foot higher. BTW, since several of the lightning rods are also higher than the summit, the DESTROYER’S lightning bolt may not do much damage :D

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Postby Bob Burd » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:30 pm

So to correct this abomination I might hire someone to dismantle the building or contract some Texans to build one of their signature summit cairns.

Anybody know which would be cheaper?
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Postby Bob Sihler » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:33 pm

Bob Burd wrote:So to correct this abomination I might hire someone to dismantle the building or contract some Texans to build one of their signature summit cairns.

Anybody know which would be cheaper?


California is a union state and Texas has weaker labor protections, so I'd hire the Texans. :D
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Postby Greg D » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:20 pm

cp0915 wrote:There's nothing like reaching the summit of an obscure peak and finding some rotten, old register that hasn't been signed in years, filled with ladybugs.


Obscure summit...?
Ladybugs...?

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Postby cp0915 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:33 pm

Exactly, Greg. Good stuff!
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Postby butitsadryheat » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:12 pm

Catamount wrote:And FWIW, in the Adirondacks, the environmental warriors have succeeded in having the registers removed from the "trailless" 46R High Peaks.


It is apparent that the SC MLC has set up satellite offices in the Adirondacks! :lol:
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Postby mconnell » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:00 pm

Diggler wrote:
Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:I AM THE DESTROYER.

I HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO DESTROY ALL CAIRNS, DUCKS, WALLS, BIVOUAC SITES, FIRE RINGS AND SHELTERS THAT I CAN FIND.

IF YOU BUILD IT, I WILL DESTROY IT AND RETURN THE AREA TO ITS NATURAL STATE.

FOR I AM: THE DESTROYER.

LEAVE NO TRACE
TAKE NOTHING BUT PHOTOS
TRY TO LEAVE NOTHING, NOT EVEN FOOTPRINTS
KILL NOTHING EXCEPT HORSE PACKERS AND PEOPLE WHO BUILD CAIRNS

THEY CALL ME THE DESTROYER, AND IT IS GOOD.

But otherwise, I don't have any strong feelings about ducks and cairns.


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