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Postby Luciano136 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:10 pm

I dunno; I like that road and it would be fine if they would've taken proper measures in the past. Doing controlled burns would not have caused the inferno we had in the fall and would not have caused the landslides we have now. It also would not have caused the owner of Newcombs wanting to close shop because the road is always closed... I feel for the guy; they gave him 1.5h notice that the road would close, wtf!??
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Postby cbuelow » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:13 pm

I'd be in favor of a permanent closure starting at some point between the ski lifts and Islip Saddle, but I'm not at all in favor of letting Newcombs or Waterman wither and die. The new owners of Mt. Waterman are fighting the good fight and trying to run the lifts whenever they can and I support them whenever the snow is good, the road is open and I'm not in Mammoth. There is a lot of history there and once the old ski resorts close, they don't get replaced (see, e.g., Disney and Mineral King)...some may think that's a good thing, but I don't.

That said, I sure liked the last few years when you could hike the PCT between Islip and Baden-Powell and not hear the incessant whine of motorcycles from miles away...
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Postby kevin trieu » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:23 pm

but what about the awesome road riding?!?
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Postby Luciano136 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:39 pm

cbuelow wrote:I'd be in favor of a permanent closure starting at some point between the ski lifts and Islip Saddle, but I'm not at all in favor of letting Newcombs or Waterman wither and die. The new owners of Mt. Waterman are fighting the good fight and trying to run the lifts whenever they can and I support them whenever the snow is good, the road is open and I'm not in Mammoth. There is a lot of history there and once the old ski resorts close, they don't get replaced (see, e.g., Disney and Mineral King)...some may think that's a good thing, but I don't.

That said, I sure liked the last few years when you could hike the PCT between Islip and Baden-Powell and not hear the incessant whine of motorcycles from miles away...


I actually like the way it was over the past few years; closure between Islip and Vincent gap and the rest open. That way, the motorcycles still get to have their fun and ride to Newcombs and us hikers can enjoy the peace and quiet in the higher country more east.
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Re: Die, Angeles Crest Highway, Die!

Postby testid » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:48 pm

Gary Schenk wrote:This storm has taken another chunk out of Angeles Crest Highway.


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Postby Luciano136 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:59 pm

Gary Schenk wrote:
cbuelow wrote:...There is a lot of history there ...


Most of which was wiped out by Angeles Crest Highway. Let it wither and die between Red Box and Big Pines. Give us back our mountains.


IMO, that's the interesting portion. Unless you have a lot of time, I can't see anyone actually getting to any of the mountains. I think that would be fun if I were retired but not so much for day hikes.
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Postby Luciano136 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:34 pm

Gary Schenk wrote:With all respect, Luciano, that doesn't make sense. Should we extend the Onion Valley road to Road's End for people in a hurry?


I can see your point but in that case, a road was never established. If that's what they wanted to do here, that's fine but they should've never built a road in the first place. Now, there is a ski resort and a restaurant established (and probably some people with cabins). Taking the road away, basically ruins those people's plans (and hikers making use of it). Not to mention, all tax payers money invested in the road would basically be thrown down the drain.

As long as Islip-Vincent gap is closed, I don't see a problem having a road there. I've hiked countless times in that area and you maybe see a handful of people (if any at all).

If there can't be any roads in mountains, then Tioga Pass Rd and all roads leading to trailheads should be closed as well... Heck, we'd have to shut down Yosemite altogether...

IMO, the only problem with this road is proper maintenance; most problems we have now could've been avoided.
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Postby mungeclimber » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:53 pm

dougb, only if it's 4 lanes both ways.


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Postby kevin trieu » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:09 pm

cragging on Charlotte Dome? :shock:
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Postby weisseseis » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:13 pm

kevin trieu wrote:but what about the awesome road riding?!?


Just get a mountain bike.

Actually, a lot of the roads that are closed to cars are still great for road biking, if not better than if they were open. (Chaney trail, upper part of the 39). And roads that have been closed to cars for a very long time are great fire roads for MB access and cross bikes.

I mean, I take advantage of the paved and open angeles crest as much as anyone, but is it really more valuable than having backcountry forest/mountains?
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