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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby nader » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:54 pm

Throughout the years I have had a few comments/additions to my pages. I have always incorporated them into the page and given credit to the person who mentioned them. If an owner is not responding, then he/she needs to be reported.

Having said that, I think the idea of "having an open section at the bottom of each beta page, between the last field and the image gallery, for edits and corrections" is a good one.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby SzaniUherkovich » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:06 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:As someone who has contributed a lot of pages, I'm very leery of giving just anyone access to anything in the page, especially the Overview and the picture display.

For those reasons, I favor the following idea:

* Adding an open section at the bottom of each beta page, between the last field and the image gallery, for edits and corrections. This would allow important updates to be more visible but allow page owners to maintain their vision of the page with minimal effort. This would probably be the easiest change to implement as well.


That, as kamil says, would be a good place to start if a change is to be made. It would essentially be moving the Additions and Corrections section to a more prominent location that doesn't have to be clicked on in order to be viewed. If it works well, then we could later try his suggestion of giving page owners the option to open up other sections to editing. For example, I don't think I would mind people coming in and updating the Getting There, Red Tape, Camping, and External Links sections in most cases, as long as they were correcting or adding information, not removing it to make the page less detailed (i.e. locals who don't want "their" secrets revealed coming in and removing access information).


I would combine this good idea of "open section" with the also raised idea in connection with the inactivity period of an author. If the page author doesn't clean out the content of the "open section" within 6 months (either inserting the additional text into the main body or deleting the inappropriate additions), then the page becomes editable for all. Because it would mean that the original page owner doesn't care with his page any more
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby surgent » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:09 pm

Personally, I don't like completely-open wiki-editing rights.

I do like a more prominent way for others to suggest edits, new info, and so forth.

Pages "owned" by someone who has been away from SP for more than a set amount of time should be reclaimed by SP and given to anyone who can improve them. I took over a number of AZ/NM pages from a non-participating member about a year ago. Just ask an elf. If the owner has been away for a year, for example, then tough for him/her.

To the fellow with the Adirondacks info: just ask an elf, I bet you'll get a bunch given over to you.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Josh Lewis » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:12 pm

@surgent: Although yes your idea would be fine. It still does not deal with the problem of active members who never touch there pages. (no offense to these guys, but I expect a lot in a page). I like the last edited idea.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby fossana » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:27 pm

Mountain Project uses the comments/conditions/beta thread at the bottom, which is helpful and is a good way to compile subjective info (e.g. gear beta). My guess is that the Wiki style approach would turn into an administration nightmare. I like the current approach of letting someone else take over pages when the current owner is unresponsive. I don't agree that a page has to be edited every 2 years to be accurate; however, if an author isn't addressing glaring omissions/errors noted by other folks that's a different story.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby BobSmith » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:28 pm

I don't like the proposal for having others revise/edit an authors post/page. I make changes when they are suggested and have merit. I don't want to go around editing out material I don't approve of on my authored pages.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Brian Jenkins » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:28 pm

Opposed to a wikipedia-like option. Opposed to something needing a minimum score or else changes can be made. Then we'll have a bunch of down-voters trying to snatch stuff.

That said, I think it is wise to have some sort of "suggested changes" that can be made to the owner of a page. If they are properly notified and have at least, say 90 days to incorporate the changes/additions, and they don't, they maybe it could be added/corrected. But I do think the owner should have the ability to say no to the changes or go back to their previous version and be notified of any changes made. I think the owner should show some courtesy and respond to whoever made the suggestion also.

If someone has not been active on SP for a year, then it's pretty much time to divy up their pages.

Like nader, I've always tried to respond to any suggestions about the pages and really appreciate those who contribute updates/corrections just because they want the page to be correct and helpful. And I've always tried to give credit to that person too. That's the spirit in which I believe SP was founded.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby gabr1 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:37 pm

Hi there,
if i must choose i would say the open section at the bottom of the page would be the best, and why not call it "appendix" just like in books?
But i really don't see the big deal with the current sistem... If a page is abandoned i can adopt it, if not, i can contact the owner to get rights to post updates. I think the only scenario not covered is if an active member does not respond, but in that case the page could be subject to review and decision by the elves.

Above all, though, i really like the fact that i read different personalities in the pages on SP, and i would hate to lose that variety in favor of a cold but allegedly more efficient wiki.
that's my 2euro cents, and i'm open to changing idea if convinced. :wink:

That said, thanks to all of you, i consider this to be one of the best sites there are.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby kamil » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:44 pm

Fletch wrote:1) If you haven't checked into SP within 90 days, then all of your pages are up for grabs - if no one grabs them, then they remain yours, but after 90 days, you're on the clock.

That's a really short period. We've got some valued members who live the expedition life without the web access for prolonged times...

gabr1 wrote:Above all, though, i really like the fact that i read different personalities in the pages on SP, and i would hate to lose that variety in favor of a cold but allegedly more efficient wiki.

YEAH you're dead right mate!
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby gabr1 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:46 pm

kamil wrote:
Fletch wrote:1) If you haven't checked into SP within 90 days, then all of your pages are up for grabs - if no one grabs them, then they remain yours, but after 90 days, you're on the clock.

That's a really short period. We've got some valued members who live the expedition life without the web access for prolonged periods...


I think so too, probably one year is fair to give everyone a chance to log on to SP. If they don't it's quite certain they have moved on.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Alpinist » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:55 pm

gabr1 wrote:
kamil wrote:
Fletch wrote:1) If you haven't checked into SP within 90 days, then all of your pages are up for grabs - if no one grabs them, then they remain yours, but after 90 days, you're on the clock.

That's a really short period. We've got some valued members who live the expedition life without the web access for prolonged periods...


I think so too, probably one year is fair to give everyone a chance to log on to SP. If they don't it's quite certain they have moved on.

Are you saying they should lose their rights if they don't log in for 1 year - or if they don't update the page in 1 year...? These are 2 very different things. Pages don't need to be updated every year. In fact, that would place too high a burden on page maintainers. It is a LOT of work to maintain bunch of pages and a year goes by in the blink of an eye...
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby gabr1 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:58 pm

I am referring to log in.
If someone does not log in for a year, that might be a fair time to decide to put pages up for adoption...
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Josh Lewis » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:59 pm

Notice he said a 1 year to login. :wink: Not 1 year to add to the page.
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