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Postby ShortTimer » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:25 pm

Yep, two entirely different deals Rob. I used to go fishing wth Herb Laeger all over the Sierra. We have fished the most inhospitable back country rivers and streams that you could imagine. Hell, we put up a new 4 pitch 5.7 on the North Fork of the Kings with packs and fishing poles in hand, with no rope. And in all that time we never looked at or carried a topo map except maybe to try to find out obscure rivers to explore. But once we found them we never used the topo to get to them. We have of course walked many miles more than we should have a times, and we have been cliffed at times, but oh the adventures that we had! And the fish that we caught!
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Postby Guyzo » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:29 pm

squishy wrote:I think there's two kinds of topo's being talked about here..


Very good squishy, you must know shorttimer?

Yes, one is the list of sportclimbs, and topos of shorter climbs in like TM and JT. Topos that tell you things like: #3 cam right here,....... this part is "scary"..... that sort of topo. These are not needed IMHO.

I just love going to a bolted place and not know about the climbs. Just look, decide, and give it a go. That makes it more fun than knowing .... thats 10a R or thats 12b. I do get a real charge out of climbing that way.

One is the topo of BIG CLIMBS.

BIG CLIMBS. Things like Castle Rock Spire and bigger..... I memorize em (topos) and read everything about the climb that I can find (summitpost is the frKN best for this). I also like to spend some time looking at a big climb, through out the day, the changing light can reveal secrets. :wink:
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Postby MarthaP » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:31 pm

Good point, squish. You can sure see where my thinking focuses.

I'm still too shicken-chit to go up something vertical, as shortimer does, without knowing what I'm getting on. Takes a lot longer for these bones to heal these days.... :cry:
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Re: Do you look at the topo?

Postby Snowslogger » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:08 pm

[quote="MarthaPInteresting that most guys don't like reading maps.

:roll:[/quote]

I'll use a map but sure as hell won't ask for directions :lol:
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Postby rhyang » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:22 pm

ShortTimer wrote:Yep, two entirely different deals Rob. I used to go fishing wth Herb Laeger all over the Sierra. We have fished the most inhospitable back country rivers and streams that you could imagine. Hell, we put up a new 4 pitch 5.7 on the North Fork of the Kings with packs and fishing poles in hand, with no rope. And in all that time we never looked at or carried a topo map except maybe to try to find out obscure rivers to explore. But once we found them we never used the topo to get to them. We have of course walked many miles more than we should have a times, and we have been cliffed at times, but oh the adventures that we had! And the fish that we caught!


I'd bet there have been some pretty good fish stories as a result, too 8)
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Postby MarthaP » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:46 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:Winter back country self-cointained ski touring>? I want the map Martha! (but even there I have many times gone without - if you don't have a destination you don't truly need a map so long as you remember where you been)

DMT


Interesting...I just found my old High Country Passes/Secor and was looking at Kearsarge lakes/pass/peaks.... :P No topo, though.
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Postby ShortTimer » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:58 pm

rhyang wrote:
ShortTimer wrote:Yep, two entirely different deals Rob. I used to go fishing wth Herb Laeger all over the Sierra. We have fished the most inhospitable back country rivers and streams that you could imagine. Hell, we put up a new 4 pitch 5.7 on the North Fork of the Kings with packs and fishing poles in hand, with no rope. And in all that time we never looked at or carried a topo map except maybe to try to find out obscure rivers to explore. But once we found them we never used the topo to get to them. We have of course walked many miles more than we should have a times, and we have been cliffed at times, but oh the adventures that we had! And the fish that we caught!


I'd bet there have been some pretty good fish stories as a result, too 8)


Let's just say that I have done scarier stuff with a fishing pole in my hand then I have when roped. Herb's wife Eve, who was a pretty solid 5.11 climber, came on one fishing trip with us. When she finally escaped to civilization she told everyone that we were doing 5.12 fishing trips, we were nuts, and she would never go again. I have been on a cliff on the side of a river with a 20' blank slab in front of me and a corner with a chimney on the other side, let go and run down and across the face to slam into the corner, just to avoid some additional up climbing. Now that is adventure! And all just to torture fish and let them go again.
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Postby rhyang » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:27 pm

ShortTimer wrote:And all just to torture fish and let them go again.


Catch and release ? I've never fished in the Sierra .. some friends do though. They tell me tales of wild onion and sauteed trout .. though I guess cooking gear might get in the way of free soloing :)
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Postby ShortTimer » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:47 pm

rhyang wrote:
ShortTimer wrote:And all just to torture fish and let them go again.


Catch and release ? I've never fished in the Sierra .. some friends do though. They tell me tales of wild onion and sauteed trout .. though I guess cooking gear might get in the way of free soloing :)


You can only eat a couple each. When two people catch 200 to 300 trout in a day what are you going to do with the rest?
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Postby Day Hiker » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:54 pm

If it's catch and release, that "200 to 300" is probably just the same 4 or 5 trout being caught over and over and over again.
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Postby rhyang » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:38 pm

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Postby ShortTimer » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:42 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:So few? No wonder you turned to climbing!

DMT


Well, it is the southern Sierra afterall.
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