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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby butitsadryheat » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:28 am

doesn't everyone have a strong desire to escape Bakersfield?
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby Bob Burd » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:12 am

butitsadryheat wrote:doesn't everyone have a strong desire to escape Bakersfield?


It was 86F at 1am when I drove through last night. You folks must have asbestos underwear.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby butitsadryheat » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:38 pm

yeah, it was a bit sultry.

Tonight we may not break below 90F. And thunderstorms are coming through tonight. The air will be chewy. Feeling a bit like Houston this week.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby butitsadryheat » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:49 pm

SeanReedy wrote:I'd guess that without maintenance and improvement of California's extensive water system, flooding of areas shown on that map would be more common, but it is actually a simulation of an extreme weather scenario similar to the storms of 1861-62. http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/article.html?entrynum=13

The story about taking a canoe from Bakersfield to the bay is interesting. That wouldn't be my first choice of adventures, but it sounds like an adventure nevertheless and would beat walking, especially under flood conditions. He must have had a strong desire to escape Bakersfield.


Yeah, the good old 'pineapple express.' We had a simialr even here in the last couple years (winter before last?) where we had what some called a 100 year rain. Neighborhoods were under 2 feet of water and it took weeks for it to drain, as the storm drain system was overwhelmed.
When they get lined up in the Pacific, it just keeps coming. I hear they have identified an El Nino forming already for this year. Mayeb this will be the year.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby SeanReedy » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:55 pm

Yeah, I remember the unusual rains October 2009. Flooding wasn't too bad that I recall near the bay area, but it was the only time I remember our cross country championship meet being postponed due to intense rain.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby Clark_Griswold » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:52 am

Any chance you'd like to share a source for the El Nino?

Don't know why we have to have an El Nino, why not just a neutral winter with most places getting close to normal precipitation.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby butitsadryheat » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:25 am

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.html

Yeah, I'd rather we just have regular, consistent rain too, but our climate doesn't work that way. Not locally, anyway.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby markv » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:43 pm

It's my understanding that the petitioned proposal would not require a new, magical water resource. The main water source would still be the same drainage, just recaptured in different ways and below Hetch Hetchy Valley. Am i understanding wrong?
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby SeanReedy » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:38 pm

markv wrote:It's my understanding that the petitioned proposal would not require a new, magical water resource. The main water source would still be the same drainage, just recaptured in different ways and below Hetch Hetchy Valley. Am i understanding wrong?


Rings a bell. There is a lot on the internet about it and there have been different proposals. Check the websites for the movement or for the Sierra Club if you want more details on what they are proposing. I couldn't open the link to the proposal from the article I posted. Money would still be an issue and would be a big issue in the near future. There are more pressing needs even just in the realm of water.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby shoenberg3 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:10 pm

Just an idea (probably crazy): Could we build a dam few miles downstream of the current dam with the new reservoir level being just slightly below the hetchy hetchy valley floor?

The valley will be accessible and we get to keep our pristine water source.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby spreck » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:52 am

In answer to a few of the questions:

The National Park Service Report suggests restoration of the riverbed and return of wildlife etc would take only 3-5 years. IMHO, it would be spectacular watching it come back to life - admittedly it would take a while to regrow a mature forest

It would cause only slightly diminish the amount of Tuolumne River water that would flow to the Bay Area - but the replacement supply must be developed before restoration would begin

It would be possible to put a whole in the dam to let the river run under, eliminating the expense and mess of dam removal.

see more at www.hetchhetchy.org

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Restore Hetch Hetchy Director of Policy
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby ElGreco » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:48 pm

San Francisco is in the dark ages when it comes to water recycling compared to other cities. It's unfair to hold Hetch Hetchy Valley hostage under these circumstances.

http://www.hetchhetchy.org/how/where-wi ... -be-stored

There are several good options for the restoration of the Valley that will not impact the City's supply. Of course City officials won't tell you that - the dam is a boondoggle for them!

If you fancy a climb at Hetch Hetchy and giving a shout-out to a good cause, register for Muir's climb!

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muir-s-climb-hetch-hetchy-aug4-2012-t62483.html
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby Clark_Griswold » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:45 pm

After further reading, I say, "drain it". Just be very well funded and proactive with native plant restoration and monitoring for exotics.
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Re: Drain Hetch Hetchy Ballot Plans

Postby SeanReedy » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:41 pm

Sure, it will be a great long term legacy to restore Hetchy Hetchy. Obviously, short term funding, water, and political issues will require ongoing patience and persistance. It is interesting to follow the processes and strategies.
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