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DWA illegally harrasing hikers at snow creek

Postby climberslacker » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:15 pm

Copy and pasted from mtsanjacinto.info

Origional thread can be found here:
http://www.mtsanjacinto.info/viewtopic. ... 8604#18604

"This past Saturday, my buddy and I were gonna do an ascent of snow creek and avoid trespassing through DWA land. Instead we ended up driving home after the spectacle the DWA had put on around their land.
My buddy and I legally parked our vehicle in public land. As we parked a pickup pulled up behind us. Two guys dressed in camo gear with camelpacks and climbing helmets pulled out of the truck. At first we thought they were fellow snow creek climbers, that is until one of them walked in front of our car, took a photo of our license plate and then a photo of our faces and walked back to the truck. Surprised, and a bit angry I walked over to their pick up and asked what they thought they were doing. A man who later identified himself as David Lukens (the manager of the DWA) threatened to turn us in and told us he knew who we were and knew what we were doing. A little puzzled I continued to ask what he was talking about. He said he knew we were with another climbing group going up snow creek, and he mentioned the name of the group leader saying they were out to get him, one way or another. We told David that we were attempting an ascent of snow creek (which we have done numerous times before) and would avoid trespassing DWA land, but were not with the group he had mentioned. Instead, in disbelief, his partner told us they owned the whole North face of San Jacinto and that we should stay out. They sped off.

Angry, we walked away before my buddy and I would have really done something illegal that had nothing to do with trespassing. We decided to drive up the road a bit to Falls Creek Road's gate. Here we encountered a scared climber with a bleeding hand standing by a parked car. We asked about his predicament. He said he was with a group of four other climbers that scattered throughout the desert floor after they were being chased by people in headlamps. The climber had no idea who was chasing them, he was scared out of his mind, and in panic hurt himself getting away from them. He said that he thought he had seen the people detain the two women in his group, and so he ran back to his car hopefully to see if the fourth climber made it out okay. He also mentioned one more group of climbers ahead of them who also scattered.

I was dumbfounded at the sting operation that was going on. Although I did not see one police cruiser or any type of real law enforcement out there. My buddy and I decided to walk the Falls Creek road to the trail junction of the PCT to see if we could get a closer look at what was going on. On the way up, numerous DWA vehicles kept sweeping up and down the road, leaving us alone. We had no good vantage point at the "PCT rock". So we walked back to our car and left.

I can understand (to very little degree) that the DWA has right to keep climbers out of the area, but this whole fiasco they pulled on Saturday was a little too much, and in some degree illegal."

Just letting people know whats up in our area.

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Postby surgent » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:30 pm

The DWA may have been "technically" right to scare people off its land but the way they handled it was appalling. I'd do some research on exactly where their lands area, then contact local media. Nothing sets things straight like a little embarrassment, but do your hw first.

I see Water District signs all the time in the CA desert, some worded in faux-threatening verbiage that often make less sense than "keep off". What's the deal?
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Postby Luciano136 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:31 pm

WTF?! Do they know that climbers carry ice axes? I'd be careful or they might piss off the wrong person at some point. Someone might show a little self defense.
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Postby McCannster » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:54 pm

firstclimb wrote:New to the area and this site. What is this all about?


The approach for this particular route goes through property owned be a water company. There have been altercations in the past about trespassing climbers en route to climb Snow Creek.
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Postby SpazzyMcgee » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:15 pm

I think the measured and mature response would be to find the rogue agents and shoot them, in the face, with a gun.
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Postby leopop » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:35 pm

True.....but the author of the article up above wasn't part of that group.
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Postby Augie Medina » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:51 pm

Dougb wrote:Hmmm, so you say agents of the DWA falsely imprisoned you? Hmmm false imprisonment is a felony. hmmmm.



It wasn't Climberslacker. He only imported the report from the San Jacinto forum.
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Postby Carbo » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:04 pm

does secure water right mean owning the north face?
http://www.dwa.org/about/index.aspx
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Postby leopop » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:05 pm

It's a fragile topic. Basically, the North face of San Jacinto (Snow Creek) is the epic mountaineering route of Southern California. 10,000ft of elevation gain in a single push is almost nowhere to be found in the rest of the contiguous United States. Unfortunately, there is a portion of the climb that encounters DWA land for one square mile (it's more of a flat hike at this point than a climb). There are options to skirt the land, but they require a bit more hiking and bushwacking. I can understand why people undertake the first option. Unfortunately someone posted a potential group climb on snow creek on a popular website, and it looks like the DWA got word of it. So whether on the group or not, it looks like everyone who attempted snow creek on saturday was harassed.
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Postby leopop » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:08 pm

Good question Carbo. What I have heard is that they only have private land rights to only one square mile South of the tiny town of Snow Creek. The actual face is okay to climb.
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Postby climberslacker » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:09 pm

It was not me who originally posted it, I just wanted people to know. And yes there are ways around the square mile. The author was planning on going around it but was still harassed regardless of intentions. I have yet to climb snow creek but really want to at some point and would like to not have to break the law, or go to jail.

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Postby leopop » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:13 pm

Carbo, read DaddyLongLeg's post reply here:
http://www.mtsanjacinto.info//viewtopic.php?t=2191
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