Alpinisto wrote:Diggler wrote:I just don't understand why Caylor, Honnold, or Segal haven't weighed in on this thread yet!
Roy1 wrote:I am a new climber. Climbing for two years now. Took a two day outdoor intro top rope course and 6 months later a 3 month indoor course. I am OUTDOOR top roping at 5.7/5.8 and as for leading, this June I will be taking an outdoor lead course with anchor building, multi-pitch belay station management, and some minimal trad inro. I read all the books, practice anchor building on my garage wall, and have even gone to the museum to learn a little of the geology of what I'm climbing on. I am basically putting myself through "Climbing University".
The purpose behind my Curriculum Victa is to try and show I am not a wannabe who simply wants to show off my gear to my non-climbing buddies while drinking beer at a barbecue, and have pictures at my office of me on top of Mt. Denali when really guides got me up there (by flying halfway up first, LOL).
I love this new part of my life. I have unfortunely had some ackward and sometimes discouraging experiences with climber's elitism. Why are so many climbing communities so tight? God forbid their sport becomes mainstream and they are no longer considered unique for doing something not everyone can do. If I were already a seasoned climber, I would be proud and take it as a compliment that so many want to do what I do.
Before climbing I did natural bodybuilding. When a new person was in the gym, trying to compete, train and was obvisouly new, I enjoyed getting to know them, helping them if they asked, and becoming friends with them. Elitist climbers have NO IDEA how many genuine new climbers turn away because from their point of view all climbers are d@ckholes.
Many think elitism is a natural way of filtering out the wannabes. What I think is more natural would be to TALK to them. Get to know them, suggest courses, offer to sell them your used yet safe gear, invite them on a day trip or two. And remember, if you actually had the balls the step out of your pigeon hole you'd find that other people are really good at what ever it is THEY do, and YOUR NOT.
adventurer wrote:I can understand the points made by Roy. I think elitism in climbing, as in any other challenging endeavor, is nearly always the result of either a "I'm a legend in my own mind" attitude or a form of insecurity. The insecurity part comes when the so called elitist feels threatened by the possibilty that "lesser people" may become as good or better than him. This type of elitist usually reacts by attempting to minimize the accomplishment of the newbie by finding fault with his methods, style, etc.
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