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Postby BainthaBrakk » Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:46 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:
I really emphasize the mystery part. I counsel... don't be so quick to drive a wooden stake in the Mystery Vampire's heart, as you may discover you just killed the very thing you value most about climbing.

DMT


Hmm, I quite like your take on this when it comes to mountaineering.

Still, I think its part of human nature to demystify and bring light to things we dont know or cant understand. If we lose that ability I am sure we will be driven back to the dark ages.
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Postby BainthaBrakk » Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:48 pm

redneck wrote:As a dedicated SummitPoster, there isn't a font size big enough for me to post how much I don't care about first ascents, 8000 meter peaks or Everest climbs. In fact, I care so little about such things I will prove my apathy by starting another three threads about how I don't care!



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Postby Lolli » Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:58 pm

I don't quite have the energy to write it. It's not the first time the subject has arisen...

The Mount Everest Committee was established by Younghusband, after he lead the British Army Expedition to Lhasa, to make the Tibetans sign a treaty, because Lord Curzon (the viceroy) was worried about possible Russian influence inside Tibet. The First British Everest Reconnaissance Expedition to the mountain was led by British military. Mallory was in that expedition.

Or maybe simply like this:
it's staking a claim.
:-) part of the great game
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Postby Buz Groshong » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:27 pm

I think DMT and Redneck have both hit the nail on the head. On the one hand it really doesn't matter and on the other it not only matters very much, but the mystery of questionable climbs makes it all the more interresting.
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Postby Bob Sihler » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:36 am

Baintha Brakk, do you have permission to use Doug Scott's photo of the Ogre?

Methinks you're trolling.
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Postby mrh » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:07 am

Bob Sihler wrote:Baintha Brakk, do you have permission to use Doug Scott's photo of the Ogre?

Methinks you're trolling.


And not a bad job of it. :D
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Postby Castlereagh » Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:15 am

curzon was awesome
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Postby Rob » Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:47 am

redneck wrote:As a dedicated SummitPoster, there isn't a font size big enough for me to post how much I don't care about first ascents, 8000 meter peaks or Everest climbs. In fact, I care so little about such things I will prove my apathy by starting another three threads about how I don't care!


Well then maybe your'e not on the right website?

The OP raises a perfectly good question. Climbing history is very interesting, and alot of people care if the information is true.
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Postby BainthaBrakk » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:42 am

Bob Sihler wrote:Baintha Brakk, do you have permission to use Doug Scott's photo of the Ogre?

Methinks you're trolling.


No, I dont have permission.The photo is all over the net, but I have removed it anyway. And I am noway near trolling. I think it's sad though that people who are obviously not interested in the initial question stand for most of the posts in this thread. Maybe this site need more active moderation?

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Postby Scott » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:42 pm

As much as I would love Buhl for instance to have climbed NP, I dont see his summit photo as much of a proof other than that he was pretty high up. Or?


Buhl left his ice axe on the summit. The ice axe was found on the summit decades later, so there is no doubt that he reached the summit.
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Postby Day Hiker » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:18 pm

BainthaBrakk wrote:people who are obviously not interested in the initial question stand for most of the posts in this thread.

+1

BainthaBrakk wrote:Maybe this site need more active moderation?

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Postby simonov » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:30 pm

Rob wrote:
redneck wrote:As a dedicated SummitPoster, there isn't a font size big enough for me to post how much I don't care about first ascents, 8000 meter peaks or Everest climbs. In fact, I care so little about such things I will prove my apathy by starting another three threads about how I don't care!


Well then maybe your'e not on the right website?

The OP raises a perfectly good question. Climbing history is very interesting, and alot of people care if the information is true.


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Postby Jukka Ahonen » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:35 pm

Scott wrote:
As much as I would love Buhl for instance to have climbed NP, I dont see his summit photo as much of a proof other than that he was pretty high up. Or?


Buhl left his ice axe on the summit. The ice axe was found on the summit decades later, so there is no doubt that he reached the summit.


Hmh, well, there's no reasonable doubt, anyway ;)

I think this is an interesting topic, and I tend to believe that people who neglect the geopolitical aspect of 19th and early 20th century mountaineering don't really understand how different the world was back then.

I remember discussing these things during high school history lessons. Imperialistic aspirations back then were just as much about publicity stunts as they were about materialistic gains. You absolutely have to remember that many of the aristocracy, for example, were basically above the financial world, so for them honor and prestige offered by such actions offered more than simply conquering more land to farm etc.

This is very much related to the concept of heroism, which has disappeared in the Western world. Maybe it's education, or just mere cynicism, but there just are no heroes anymore. Neither are there real rock stars. The population at large just isn't willing to look at anyone from such an angle anymore. And then we make the assumption that the preceding generations were the same, even though they quite evidently were not.

P.S: Sorry for incoherent rambling :D
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Postby BainthaBrakk » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:18 pm

Scott wrote: The ice axe was found on the summit decades later, so there is no doubt that he reached the summit.


Now there is some new light shed. And frankly it makes me quite happy to know that he made it as he was an extraordinary man.

Now how about some of the others?

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