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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby nartreb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:32 pm

Part of being wetter is that the snow itself has a high moisture content, so when it gets packed it turns to ice very quickly. You may find yourself wishing for crampons on an ordinary trail hike (the trails tend to be steeper too), but that puts your ankles at risk during the "shoulder seasons". The solution: Katoohla MicroSpikes. (You'll generally also want to bring snowshoes and of course I don't recommend ice climbing in the 'spikes, but the 'spikes are so light and comfy you may end up wearing them on a five-minute approach to an ice climb.)

Other top winter gear choices: real down jacket (or "down sweater" for belays/rests/camping), real down sleeping bag, fully vacuum-insulated Thermoses instead of water bottles.
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby climberslacker » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:36 am

That article makes me so psyched! I was getting a little down about the prospects (if you couldn't tell) but now the stoke it high!

I've alread got micro-spike (from the PCT) so I'll make sure to bring those. I would have totally forgotten about those otherwise! Thanks!

I've also got a ton of down stuff from various trips including a brief foray into high-altitude mountaineering (Citlaltepetl) that I'll make sure to bring.

Any other tips for NE climbing that I might not know as a west-coast climber would be awesome!
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby kylenicolls » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:40 pm

nartreb wrote: You may find yourself wishing for crampons on an ordinary trail hike (the trails tend to be steeper too), but that puts your ankles at risk during the "shoulder seasons".


I have to say, I've only been in the Adirondacks once this summer (planning the Great Range this weekend), but I did find there were a number of trails that were significantly steeper than I expected. Difficult, nah, I liked it. But the 1900 ft ascent over, what, 1.4 miles on the S side of Colden, was unexpected. I just wish the treeline was at like 3k feet, lol.

Oh and fewer mosquitos, I found, than the NW. I haven't really had a bug issue significant enough to put on DEET yet.
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby anita » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:59 pm

Catamount wrote:I have a layering "system" that is basically a mish-mash of tech-wick, fleece, gortex and down. Not really sure it's possible to be entirely comfortable. If someone else has it all figured out, let us know. Also, I always pack some extra dry base layers. YMMV.



soft shells jacket/pants for me + layers. usually different wool layers, down, synthetic (DAS parka/Atom LT hoody). but this is for ice climbing where you're standing around freezing your ass off most of the time. I tend to wear about 5-6 layers on top + long johns/soft shell pants on bottom. but I run cold, so...
also always carry an extra pair of gloves inside my layers against my chest to keep them warm.

I haven't worn a hard shell in years in winter. I did wear it in June when it was raining every freaking weekend.
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby MoapaPk » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:09 pm

kylenicolls wrote:Oh and fewer mosquitos, I found, than the NW. I haven't really had a bug issue significant enough to put on DEET yet.


Mosquitoes are not the issue. They are trivial compared to black flies. In the later months of the summer, when it is drier, all bugs are in remittance.
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby Catamount » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:31 am

anita wrote:
Catamount wrote:I have a layering "system" that is basically a mish-mash of tech-wick, fleece, gortex and down. Not really sure it's possible to be entirely comfortable. If someone else has it all figured out, let us know. Also, I always pack some extra dry base layers. YMMV.



soft shells jacket/pants for me + layers. usually different wool layers, down, synthetic (DAS parka/Atom LT hoody). but this is for ice climbing where you're standing around freezing your ass off most of the time. I tend to wear about 5-6 layers on top + long johns/soft shell pants on bottom. but I run cold, so...
also always carry an extra pair of gloves inside my layers against my chest to keep them warm.

I haven't worn a hard shell in years in winter. I did wear it in June when it was raining every freaking weekend.


The main problem with winter hiking is that you are uphill-active for hours and trying to keep yourself from getting overheated and then you hit the summit of whatever mountain and the cold wind whips through everything right down to your sweat. And then you're cold. I'm a semi old-timer at this point and bought all my crap before soft shell technology existed. Almost bought soft shell this past winter but couldn't get myself to drop the $$$$ on something that MIGHT be better. Maybe this year.
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby climberslacker » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:25 am

Sorry for more questions but what time of year can I expect ice to start forming up? Ice is something I have little experience with and I'm really, really, really excited to start getting seriously into it. How long do I have to wait?
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby anita » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:34 am

nov-dec.
stuff in huntington ravine (new hampshire) comes in as early as october some years, though it is thin.
if we're lucky, by december there should be some good ice to climb. I've climbed at cascade pass (ny) 3rd week of november, and ice was decent.
start checking neice.com by october-ish for updates...
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby BoulderTraveler » Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:04 pm

As a Rensselaer Outing Clubber in the 1970s, we ice climbed at Pokomoonshine.

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And on Chapel Pond slab.

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And Central Gully

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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby anita » Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:32 pm

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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby climberslacker » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:50 am

It's ON and the stoke meter is at an all time high! I'm flying up tonight, backpacking for three days then getting educated! WOOHOO! Can't wait for snow so I can become an ICE NINJA!

On a separate and unrelated note: does anyone know the current supported and unsupported speed record for the 46 high peaks?
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby Catamount » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:59 am

climberslacker wrote:On a separate and unrelated note: does anyone know the current supported and unsupported speed record for the 46 high peaks?


Noooooooo! Don't do it.

Cave Dog had the record for awhile at a little under 4 days but I think someone topped that a year or two ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/sports/outdoors-he-s-a-speed-marathon-climber-they-call-him-cave-dog.html

Ultimately, nobody gives a flying crap. And the mountains care even less. The hyper-competitiveness of peakbagging has gotten so out of hand in the last decade that I just kind of tune out to it at this point. :roll:
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby climberslacker » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:14 pm

Catamount wrote:
climberslacker wrote:On a separate and unrelated note: does anyone know the current supported and unsupported speed record for the 46 high peaks?


Noooooooo! Don't do it.

Cave Dog had the record for awhile at a little under 4 days but I think someone topped that a year or two ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/sports/outdoors-he-s-a-speed-marathon-climber-they-call-him-cave-dog.html

Ultimately, nobody gives a flying crap. And the mountains care even less. The hyper-competitiveness of peakbagging has gotten so out of hand in the last decade that I just kind of tune out to it at this point. :roll:


Honestly, I would never think about doing a supported attempt. I was just curious what it was because SLU has a thing where they try to get someone on every peak in one weekend. I thought it could be cool to do them all in a weekend. Way too much effort though. Probably will never try an unsupported attempt either. But you always have to be coming up with new ways of entertaining yourself, you know?
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Re: Going to school in upstate NY, what should i expect?

Postby Catamount » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:28 pm

I hear ya.

I think the unsupported record is in the ballpark of 9 days. Don't quote me on it though. 46Rs is a great list as lists go ... some peaks are out there and require all day hikes or overnight backpacking to access although you can often hit multiple summits when you get to the area. Santanonis, Dixes, Sewards, Allen (and many others) all require deep treks before the ascent begins.

Really hope you have a great trip out here and good luck at school!
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