visentin wrote:- Do you plan just to hike, or to climb ? Tatras in Feb are extremely snowy and avalanchous so you must watch out where you go and the conditions.
Petro wrote:My advice is - don't bivy unless you really have to. Don't try to hide your tent 500m from a hut just to avoid spending night in it.
Petro wrote:If you want to climb in Poland: Like Visentin said, if you're a member of an UIAA affiliated organisation, you can climb without a guide.
Petro wrote:(because probably nobody is going to check your papers while you're climbing )
Petro wrote:A good place to start is to go to 'Betlejemka' - the hut of the Polish Mountaineering Association in the Gasienicowa Valley and just get to know some local climbers.
Petro wrote:In Slovakia: Although (unlike in Poland) the trails are closed for hikers in winter time, climbers are allowed to access the national park (if they go climbing of course).
Petro wrote:And both Visentin and Corax are right. Tatras are very dangerous in winter, the avy danger is usually very high until early spring. Most of winter climbing in Tatras is mixed or dry tooling, they say it's similar to Scottish, but I can't tell as I've never been to Scotland. Anyway, expect frozen turf rather than good ice. Not that I want to discourage you, cause Tatras are really great, but be prepaired that you can get stuck in a hut not being able to do anything serious because of conditions for an extended period of time.
visentin wrote:Petro wrote:If you want to climb in Poland: Like Visentin said, if you're a member of an UIAA affiliated organisation, you can climb without a guide.
As far as I knew, true for Slovakia only. In Poland you must be with a guide or be a guide yourself. Being just a member is not enough.
visentin wrote:Petro wrote:(because probably nobody is going to check your papers while you're climbing )
They do ! And not only rangers. Slovak guides with other customers have the right to "check you" on the way. The fees are not enormous if you are caught, but you have to, and they are stubborn ! Worse, you must turn back and cancel your plan. That's why it's better to start early and be caught on the way down only
Petro wrote:You're wrong, just believe me. Like I wrote, there are two climbing areas in Polish Tatras and both are accessible for individual climbers.
Petro wrote:You're talking about situations on popular peaks like Gerlachovsky Stit in summer. This is very unlikely to happen in winter, noone is going to chase you while you're climbing, they may check you while you're approaching or descending from a route. Anyway, the conclusion is that you need to have some kind of document stating that you're a member of a climbing organisation.
visentin wrote:Petro wrote:You're wrong, just believe me. Like I wrote, there are two climbing areas in Polish Tatras and both are accessible for individual climbers.
Thanks for the info then ! So you say Orla Perc and Morskie Oko areas only?
visentin wrote:I was "checked" twice, once with success (for the ranger) as I took for 20 meters a wrong trail that I thought to be the right under Zamkovskeho chata. I had to pay 5€.
Once (without success, as I showed the french CAF card, however out of date ) going down from Ladové Pleso to Chata Popradské Pleso.
The funny thing in that situation is that me and y friend were hiding behind one rock to avoid being seen by hikers in which we thought they could be one of those guides... while the real guide who checked us suddenly popped behind our back from nowhere !
Anyway they don't come from Polytechnika and don't read many languages, and I have the slight feeling you could almost show your library card in UK and they would believe it's fine...
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