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Postby Guyzo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:17 pm

SpiderSavage wrote:SummitPost: Mountains (as in Summits)
MountainProject: Rocks (as in vertical surfaces)
SuperTopo: People (I've never understood why the best climbers hang that forum.)

SummitPost is by far the prettiest and most well organized (with room for improvement). Far better than a climbing magazine. The high quality collaborative content is superb. All the big gear companies need to wake up and start advertising here.



Why would they advertise on SP?

Some of the forums are dieing on the vine..... look at the ones that go days with out anything.

And Supertopo.... gets the old time valley locals, some of the most famous climbers in the world post up there. C mac is tough enuf to let the posters run off the idiots and it's real easy to see who the real idiots are. Sort of organic. :wink:

And it's to bad because SP is the best organized, easiest to use format and it was gaining an international flavor because of well you know, but thats gone now.

cheers

gk :wink:
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Postby Dow Williams » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:50 pm

Mother Google determines most all advertising folks. SP beats the others where its contributing members do well, i.e., Yamnuska Rock Climbing, Canadian Rockies Ice Climbing.....etc. Same with MP and RC. Advertisers want to reach folks looking for climbing beta/ideas. Those are folks who actually need to buy climbing gear, related footwear and clothing. PnP has its own ad base, but lets just say, Sterling Ropes probably did not have that intended use for their product.
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Postby CClaude » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:07 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:
SpiderSavage wrote:SummitPost: Mountains (as in Summits)
MountainProject: Rocks (as in vertical surfaces)
SuperTopo: People (I've never understood why the best climbers hang that forum.)

SummitPost is by far the prettiest and most well organized (with room for improvement). Far better than a climbing magazine. The high quality collaborative content is superb. All the big gear companies need to wake up and start advertising here.


There are three things I think that make that climbing site unique (not a singularity mind you but a unique recipe)

Bear in mind that has nothing to do with this site - direct correlation is impossible. But I think there are 3 elements there that served to create the flavor:

1. Very light hand in moderation, but when the hammer falls there is ZERO warning and ZERO explanation. There is no appeal process, all rulings are final. Whack-A-Mole was basically invented there.

2. One forum, so all are in the mosh pit together. Can't hide the crap under the covers our out back behind the septic tank. This serves to bring attention of all users to each other.

3. There is no real purpose to the forum. Its just a bullshit bulletin board, so whatever purpose has arisen from it has been at the whim and discretion of the users.

Now what has come out of it all are some of the best historical climbing threads in American history (of climbing). I shit you knott. The site, so far as I know, is without parallel in this regard. A lot of it was endangered of being pissed away but eh owner finally wised up and provided a means to host and save these gems.

But you have to mine the site to find them.

to start, you could search a couple of user names

jello
longago
rgold
largo
Peter Haan


those will get you going. There are dozens of stellar contributors.

The Taco is unique, as is SP. Each has its own flavor.

What is not tolerated at the Taco is heavy duty personal attacks, though the site has its shatre of light hearted trolling. Serious trolls last about 5 days there on average before disappearing into the night.

WHACK!

Cheers
DMT


As for training ideas, Mountainproject also has a couple of people who are pretty good weighing in like

Mike Anderson
Monomaniac
Kevin Stricker
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Postby Arthur Digbee » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:20 pm

FortMental wrote:If it weren't for SP, I would never have realized how beautiful the South Coast of England sea-cliffs are, how rad the Carpathian enviro-ethic is, how cool Italian refuge locations are, how weird the Julian Alps erosion is, how crowded the Matterhorn is, how big a choss-pile Aconcagua is... I never would have guessed that there are people who ONLY climb live volcanoes, or who only climb a mountain if it's over 4,267.2m. There are people who love the mountains but have never, ever put on a pair of crampons, and those that basically live in their crampons. Thanks to a photo and an old trip report posted on SP, I got off my ass and went up into the Crestones a couple of weeks ago and had the area truly, entirely, and completely to myself for 4 days.

So what if SP doesn't have the latest beta on some obscure 3-move V7? So what if SP isn't the place to re-live the glory days of wool (or spandex). SP's pretty cool!


Very nicely put. And it's the hikers with cameras that do that. And some umbrellas.
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Postby fatdad » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:25 pm

Each site has its own virtues, so choose accordingly.

MP has an emphasis on harder climbing, particularly in CO, since most of the posters are from there.

ST is mostly spray, but can provide some awesome historical content, and can offer some really pointed advice on specific issues. If you need some advice about a particular route in the Valley, it's hard to beat though you might get some spray as well.

Personally, I've come to admire how most of the folks on SP are willing to come forward and share ideas, advice and encouragement. Also, given how busy I am of late, it gives me a little vicarious enjoyment of what others are up too, especially locally.
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Postby yatsek » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:32 pm

FortMental wrote:If it weren't for SP, I would never have realized how beautiful the South Coast of England sea-cliffs are…SP's pretty cool!

Absolutely, just that passage about the Carpathian enviro-ethic unfortunately still only applies to the NW part of these mts, but hopefully it'll change for the better over time as the other chunk has been incorporated into the EU recently.
Arthur Digbee wrote:Very nicely put. And it's the hikers with cameras that do that. And some umbrellas.

Couldn't agree more. I do carry a compact Wolfskin umbrella in my backpack although it's not blue in colour.
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Postby Dow Williams » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:12 pm

Arthur Digbee wrote:SP has umbrellas. Don't forget the umbrellas.


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Postby mconnell » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:31 am

I don't recall ever seeing llama pictures at MP.
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Postby Dave Dinnell » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:22 am

mconnell wrote:I don't recall ever seeing llama pictures at MP.


=epic fail...
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Postby yatsek » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:07 pm

mconnell wrote:I don't recall ever seeing llama pictures at MP.

Don't forget all the asses :D
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Postby Guyzo » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:19 pm

FortMental wrote:See what I mean? The North Face of N. Twin.... and an unwashed climber holding a Mai Tai umbrella for scale. You gonna get that on RC.com? I think not, my friend.... I think not.



Go to SuperT..... enter "northface northtwin" .......... see some pretty rad photos of some big mts., shot from a location you can't easly get to.

all the sites have their unique appeal, strengthens and weaknesses, PnP on SP was sooooo unique re guarding the international political views of climbers. I miss it and hope it returns in some form. Screw the jerks, there are some in all crowds.

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