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Postby Dow Williams » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:26 pm

mp is much more climbing (read actual climbing) related...climbing photos, route of the day, latest news and climbing articles from the rags, etc....SP is more of a hiking/photog site with a few of us climbers littering up the place from time to time....both have good beta, but MP has more climbing contributers regarding actual routes, no question, helps if you want to read summit logs to check out conditions of the route, etc....but several of us here provide a better print ready beta (first account) format for the same routes....both are good visits if you are taking on a technical route with a bit of adventure to it....
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Postby Andinistaloco » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:09 am

I haven't been as impressed with MP. In a couple areas I know (Sedona in particular) there are notable errors. In one they've gotten the name of the peak wrong, in fact - giving it the name of another peak a mile or two away.

That being said, I'm sure there are areas in which MP and their beta are pretty helpful.
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Postby snowey » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:14 am

I find the MP site as being really well organized and through. Concerning location I think it breaks down like this (at least the majority of the members/emphasis of the site):

Mountain Project: Colorado
Rockclimbing.com: East Coast
Supertopo: California
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Postby Dave Daly » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:38 am

Dow Williams wrote:mp is much more climbing (read actual climbing) related...climbing photos, route of the day, latest news and climbing articles from the rags, etc....SP is more of a hiking/photog site with a few of us climbers littering up the place from time to time....both have good beta, but MP has more climbing contributers regarding actual routes, no question, helps if you want to read summit logs to check out conditions of the route, etc....but several of us here provide a better print ready beta (first account) format for the same routes....both are good visits if you are taking on a technical route with a bit of adventure to it....


I concur. MP is pretty much my source for climbing route and/or area beta. As Dow said, a few of us provide cool obscurities and some route (in great detail I might add.......nice work Dow! Good stuff). However, MP is climber based, whereas SP is hiker/mountaineer based. Don't get me wrong.....having been a member since 2002, I really like the overall feel of SP. As for Supertopo, great forum stuff with a tad bit of focus on The Big Ditch. Love going there for a laugh (and Dingus' wisdom) or to post up Photo TR's....but that's it. I NEVER visit the MP forum.....just for info and posting a few shots.
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Postby Guyzo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:35 am

I like MP. You can build a good guide of local info for rock climbing. It's easy to use the mini-guide print deal.

Summitpost always had a more international feel, good trip reports of climbs like "The Eiger", and the first hand mt. climbing beta has always been excellent. What rock climbing info that is listed is pretty good, but not even close to complete.

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Postby thigbee » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:14 am

I am a hardcore MP fan, but I am more of a climber than a hiker. It is much less cumbersome and bloated than rockclimbing.com. For hiking info, it sucks. For technical climbing, it is second to none in terms of user friendliness. The amount of information for each area varies wildly from area to area. In Utah and Colorado, there's a ton of information. Not so much for the east coast.

The MP forums are also much less crappy and bloated than the RC.com forums. You get real information and less stupid filler.

As others have said: MP for technical climbing, Summitpost for everything else.
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Postby MichaelJ » Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:49 am

Better climbers tend to hang out on MP, which is why it's easier for anyone with more time than skill to rack up points on SP, which is fine if that's what you're into but some may find the self-congratulatory beta sprayers a bit tiresome (sorry, your parents didn't love you). There are, of course, some good individual contributions from people who aren't always calling attention to how supposedly good their contributions are. Also, MP really does a more comprehensive job on most places from the Valley to Patagonia. This site should actually probably call itself Slog Post. Nice pictures, though.
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Postby yatsek » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:17 am

MichaelJ wrote:This site should actually probably call itself Slog Post. Nice pictures, though.


It seems - relying on the opening statement: "SummitPost is a collaborative content community focused on climbing, mountaineering, hiking and other outdoor activities" - that just "SP" describes it best, the S standing for summit/slog/scramble/ski/scenery - five stars
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Postby mvs » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:52 am

MichaelJ wrote:Better climbers tend to hang out on MP, which is why it's easier for anyone with more time than skill to rack up points on SP, which is fine if that's what you're into but some may find the self-congratulatory beta sprayers a bit tiresome (sorry, your parents didn't love you). There are, of course, some good individual contributions from people who aren't always calling attention to how supposedly good their contributions are. Also, MP really does a more comprehensive job on most places from the Valley to Patagonia. This site should actually probably call itself Slog Post. Nice pictures, though.


Ouch! :oops: It takes a real writer to wield a knife!
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Postby Arthur Digbee » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:09 pm

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Postby CClaude » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:23 pm

There are some areas around where Mountainproject has the only complete beta. The Waterfall in OakCreek Canyon is one place.It also provides good beta on some places with longer routes, the free climbing version of Moonlight Buttress, All Along the Watchtower in the Bugaboos
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Postby SpiderSavage » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:06 pm

SummitPost: Mountains (as in Summits)
MountainProject: Rocks (as in vertical surfaces)
SuperTopo: People (I've never understood why the best climbers hang that forum.)

SummitPost is by far the prettiest and most well organized (with room for improvement). Far better than a climbing magazine. The high quality collaborative content is superb. All the big gear companies need to wake up and start advertising here.
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