josegarcia wrote:I don’t have any money and it seems like using a guide is really cheating anyway. Denali, here I come! I’ll just start at Park Highway 3 with all my chit and get it on, mang!
radson wrote:as per MartaP. If you use the services of a guide and feel the need to discuss your exploits, then it's only fair to mention that you climbed with a guide.
mconnell wrote:radson wrote:as per MartaP. If you use the services of a guide and feel the need to discuss your exploits, then it's only fair to mention that you climbed with a guide.
But only if the guide carries your sorry ass to the top. Having someone more experienced than yourself along doesn't mean that you didn't climb something, whether you paid that person or not.
norco17 wrote:norco17 wrote:guide=aid
Let me expand on this now that I have more time. Climbing with a guide is still climbing however it takes away many of the risks, thrills, and fun. I have never gone with a guide, but that is mainly becuase a) I can't afford one and b) I haven't been doing this stuff all that long and have not done climbs where I think a guide would be necesary.
For me much of the thrill in climbing is the uncertainty. I go out to be closer to nature and God. I do not see obtaining a preset goal of a peak or a route as the ultimate goal. Some of my best trips have been the failures. Getting off route in good weather or trying to follow a route in bad weather and not succeeding is way more rewarding to me than the physical challenge of following a guide up a mountain.
My climbing partners and myself all look at each other as equals and we are all involved in the decision making. We set goals try to obtain them and if we can't we back off and return another day with the knowledge gained from a previous trip. This tends to make us pack in a more expedition style because many times we do not get all the available beta and we don't always know what we are entirely in for. This style of climbing can be much more interesting than following someone that has been there before.
If you are going somewhere where you have a fixed amount of time or route finding mistakes can lead to disaster than by all means take a guide, but if you want to truly be out there on your own relying on yourselves than look for a local peak, mountain, canyon, or coulier here on SP. Read how to get to the trailhead and then just go for it. It is more fun that way anyway.
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