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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby Pyroman9 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:15 am

Just a quick question...

Did anyone ask him about the actual climbs? did he use a guide service on all? if so how much support and what kind???

I recall a thread I was on that I mentioned I just got back from Aconcagua... people gave me all sorts of shit. Not once did they take the time to ask about who I was and what I did there. Then they found out the actual story and all shutup.

Either way, congrats Chapter 11. This was a big goal of yours and I give you props. PM sent to ya.
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby Marmaduke » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:31 am

Dow, don't you guide?
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby Pyroman9 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:30 pm

There is a major difference in those who get a guide just for logistics or something... and a guide with 20 porters. and not one person has asked that yet. just pointing that out....
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby Baarb » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:18 pm

I think there have been 2 posts on here actually iterating what the basis of much of the vitriol is and I'm glad for them, particularly Dow's last one as there's actually an explanation in there. Thus couldn't we have just started out with "Those prices seem quite high because of X, Y, Z. The way you have phrased your post could be construed as exploitative even if there is no evidence for that as we don't know anything about you or your motives. Please expand further on you escapades or reduce the details to the minimum." Climbing has been described as a selfish sport, but there's also a lot of team-work and camaraderie. Not sure why that can't extend to message boards at least until there's some viable information to work with.
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby DK » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:14 pm

Even if you get guides to summit mountains, it is still an accomplishment. It's not like the guides *carry* you up!

Pity you're "retiring" from mountaineering Chapter 11 :(

Congrats again!
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby Marmaduke » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:32 pm

Based on Dow's stance on this, I wonder if he would turn away business from these "types" of climbers?
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby MoapaPk » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:44 pm

myfierceblackhound wrote:Those of you defending him and congratulating him obviously have no idea how easy it is to buy your way to the top of the 7S.
Jealousy...LMFAO!


Do you speak from experience?
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby MoapaPk » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:08 pm

myfierceblackhound wrote:
Do you speak from experience?


Hell no! I run a puppy mill and collect antique lawn tractors.

Are you seriously trying to have a rational conversation with another anonymous user or are you trying to "win" the internets Moapa?


I never try to win "the internets," but thank you for narrowing down who you are, by the choice of phrase.
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby JB99 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:30 pm

Not much other than jealousy could motivate a totally anonymous person to all but throw on the CAPS LOCK and yell at someone for mentioning why he was selling his gear. Sure, his prices were way too high, but BFD, make him an offer and bring him to reality or don't buy his stuff - pretty simple.

And I call bullshit that the 7 Summits are easy. Sorry, all the money, Sherpas, guides, fixed lines, non-technical terrain etc. wouldn't mean a thing at 29,035 feet. Just because something isn't WI6 or 5.13 doesn't mean it is easy, except by that very specific definition, technically easy. That's very different from just easy - it's easy to flame someone anonymously online because you are jealous of the way they chose to spend their money and the traveling they chose to do with their time.
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby SeanReedy » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:46 pm

sjarelkwint wrote:We can always laugh with it but books like Into Thin Air, Touching The Void and even series like the Everest one on Discovery creates new climbers. We must be gratefull for those who wrote and made those books instead of bashing on them.


Yeah, I really enjoyed watching Touching the Void, seeing those guys survive suffering in challenging circumstances. As far as Into Thin Air, I've been pretty busy for several years and I just don't take time to read books for pleasure much (too much required reading for classes and work). I enjoyed an Extreme Expeditions show last night on National Geographic Channel, even though I wouldn't want to do any of the several activities I watched thrill seekers do. Not my favorite, but this was one:



Have to be honest that my own attention is drawn to bigger mountains and more and more I am considering going for them (not everest since it is financially a bitch :-) ) but other ones where you have to put one foot in front of the other without climbing 5.14d pitches, no scottish grade 5 ice and no bivy's of 3 weeks without food before getting back barely alive...Sometimes it is fun to just test you in a physical way. How deep can i go how bad can i suffer... Everest and the other 7 summits are "pretty" easy on a technical level but they are still a physical challenge...It is pretty obvious that the OP looked for a hard physical challenge to do with his father


Yes, differnet people have different interests. I like the physical exertion, views, and occasional suffering gained from a long, high hike, but am not currently interested in the time, energy, and expense required to get into really technical stuff nor spend extended time on one route/trip. It's cool when I've got friends, or better yet, family to hike with, but usually I'm just with my dogs. Maybe that's part of why discussing this stuff is easy for me to not take too seriously. :wink:
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby workmanflock » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:55 pm

JB99 wrote:
And I call bullshit that the 7 Summits are easy. Sorry, all the money, Sherpas, guides, fixed lines, non-technical terrain etc. wouldn't mean a thing at 29,035 feet. Just because something isn't WI6 or 5.13 doesn't mean it is easy, except by that very specific definition, technically easy. That's very different from just easy - it's easy to flame someone anonymously online because you are jealous of the way they chose to spend their money and the traveling they chose to do with their time.


Didn't you get the message? Anyone not named Messner, Hillary, or Norgay who does Everest is a sellout, rich, route buying pussy.

Bashing 7 summitters is climber chic.
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby j4ever » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:10 am

myfierceblackhound wrote:It's too bad this thread went to 5 pages giving the Texas attention whore exactly what he was looking for. I blame myself.

For the record I couldn't give less of a shit about what he does in the mountains. Jealousy of some douche bag Texan with too much money and a huge ego who likes to boast about mediocre climbing accomplishments to strangers on the internet is not something that I'm feeling.

I simply thought it was hilarious that he was beating his chest while trying to rip people off.

Those of you defending him and congratulating him obviously have no idea how easy it is to buy your way to the top of the 7S.

Jealousy...LMFAO!


yep,you sound like your not jealous
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Re: Just Finished Seven Summits And Selling New and Used Gea

Postby Cecilrhodes » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:47 pm

Anyone at all annoyed by Marmaduke - who has done and still does virtually nowt - taking to task Dow Williams, who is arguably SP's greatest contributor? Even though Dow's work is way beyond my abilities - and I am unlikely to ever do trad - I always enjoy reading his submissions. Outstanding reports and photographs.

Marmaduke, you need to tear yourself away from the keyboard and actually DO something outside, per Vitaly (who has come on in massive leaps and bounds since embarking on his outdoor adventures), before you argue the toss with folk whose carabiners you are unworthy to lick.

And Chapter 11 - congrats on your Seven Summits, a wonderful achievement by any stretch. However, I think what got people's goat here is your "retiring from mountaineering" remarks. To the real outdoorsmen here like Dow, Vitaly, Moapa, Chief, getting out in the mountains is almost a spiritual quest, a lifelong passion - like the passion of a surfer for the wave. To simply tick the boxes and then jettison the hallowed calling seems tantamount to sacrilege!
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