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Postby SpiderSavage » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:05 pm

Enticing them with food is another trick I use.

Hamburgers from the right joint (Like In&Out).
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Postby Miroslava » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:15 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:I want to warn you Luddites about forcing an e-ban on your kids... you make them at once special in a good way and special in a bad way.

When they are teenagers they aren't going to forget all the cool shows and events you caused them to miss.

When they are 30-something they may come to appreciate it. Maybe not.

Just remember what it was like to be a kid.

DMT

ps. You cannot make your kids pariah just so they will fall in love with outdoors. THEY have a generation the same was as you do. Its theirs and you CANNOT take it away. Don't try...


Dingus,
I understand the danger. The e-ban is going to be gradually lifted. Many people do consider TV or computer games to be really detrimental to adequate development in early childhood. I subscribe to that view as well. Of course, one cannot take children outside of their generation but one might try to limit the "damage".
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Postby moonspots » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:15 pm

SpiderSavage wrote:...Part of my success was due to convincing my whole family to willingly give up cable television in the early 1990's. I would read to my kids from adventure books like Harry Potter then translate that into real life adventures. My son and I once did a "Lord of the Rings" overnight hike up Millard Canyon carrying only a blanket, some lembas (power bar) and a few magic items like lighter and flashlight. My grown children thank me repeatedly for freeing them from the slave box...


This is wisdom X10. Wish I had it when my son was still impressionable.... Wonder if I could pull it off with the grandkids now...
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Postby butitsadryheat » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:59 pm

My kids get to play the electronic things while we are traveling to the trailhead, and watch TV and videos and play on their own laptops the night before, but once we hit the trailhead and are out of cell range, it is usually reminding them about "We Toss 'Em, They're Awesome" when we get back to the car and down the hill. It usually works.

It is in young kids' nature to whine about all things hard and that require determination. I keep telling my kids that they are getting great exercise, and that "we only have a little bit to go" and they groan, but when we get to the top, or to the destination we were looking to get, they always want to stay a little longer and let a bit more sink in before we have to leave. It always turns out to be "my favorite trip ever," even though they complained the same amount as the time before. almost every trip has been a bit longer than the last, and they are growing to love it.

My biggest problem is that I tend to take them too high to fast, coming from only about 450 above sea level, and then going to the east side trailheads. My son gets nauseated for awhile at the trialhead, but usually pukes and starts jammin' up the trail. We usually turn around when my daughter says she's getting a headache. They have now started getting a little bummed when we don't reach our target, and suggest we need to stay the night and try it again. Makes me smile.
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Postby SoCalHiker » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:11 am

butitsadryheat wrote:

It is in young kids' nature to whine about all things hard and that require determination. I keep telling my kids that they are getting great exercise, and that "we only have a little bit to go" and they groan, but when we get to the top, or to the destination we were looking to get, they always want to stay a little longer and let a bit more sink in before we have to leave. It always turns out to be "my favorite trip ever," even though they complained the same amount as the time before. almost every trip has been a bit longer than the last, and they are growing to love it.



Nice...it's very similar to my kids. It costs a lot of nerves to endure the endless complaining on the way... but once we are there...yes "it's the best ever". However when asked "Do you want to do it again next weekend" the answer is usually "No way" :)
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Postby Norman » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:20 am

I have two kids, one goes with me the other doesn't , but tried them both out as a teens. Try getting your kids to invite a friend. You'll learn a little about their friends and maybe the friend will think the outdoors is fun. It's easier if the kids have peers doing things with. My Dad just signed up my older brother and sister with the Seattle Mountaineers and I took the Basic climbing course when I was old enough with a friend. Every one is different, but I'm sure glad my Dad got me going to the hills. Latter, I even took up snowboarding when my kids needed rides with their friends to Mt Baker. My thinking was if they want to do something that will include me...I need to do it. Tough to raise kids now...always. I wish you and others the best. Wow! I think I could write a book no one would read....
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Postby butitsadryheat » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:55 am

You beat me to it. I was going to suggest asking them to bring a friend along, so they can talk about the last video game or who's doing what on Facebook or MySpace. Maybe let them bring their PSP, but only let them play it at the top. Once they get there, they won't want to, but it may motivate the hell out of 'em!
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Postby SoCalHiker » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:57 am

Norman wrote:I have two kids, one goes with me the other doesn't , but tried them both out as a teens. Try getting your kids to invite a friend.


Thanks. That's actually a very good idea I think. I am sure my kids are not complaining as much when their friends are with them.
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Postby SoCalHiker » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:01 am

Dingus Milktoast wrote:For what its worth I don't think all those e-devices are evil or even necessarily bad for kids. Actually I think the opposite. I think they are good and empower kids to be part of their society, to actually MAKE that society.

The ties that bind.

I can talk Leave it to Beaver with many of my generation, and using the language of the Beeve can exchange meaningful information.

Now imagine if I'd never watched any 60s television... now try to communicate to a BOOMER without a generational anchor... good luck with that.

Embrace the technology. Oh... have some rules, to be sure. But don't cast technology out with the devil... next you'll be ranting about zippers!

DMT


I completely understand you, Dingus. I also think that depriving them from all the e-toys and online activities is not necessarily a good thing. I don't want them feeling estranged from their friends and not able to communicate about the latest online news and gadgets. But at times it's simply too much. There are times that my daughter sent 10 text messages before I can say "Hi" after school.
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Re: Kids and Climbing/Hiking

Postby SoCalHiker » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:02 am

borut wrote:
The first pic is really tough, I thought.

borut


Yes, it was a steep part but they enjoyed the few minutes a lot, in contrast to the rest of the day which was much easier.
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