by MoapaPk » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:30 am
by johnm » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:17 am
by MoapaPk » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:06 am
by mrchad9 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:27 am
by PellucidWombat » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:58 pm
I was just asked (by his friend) not to speculate, but wait for more official details. It isn't morbid curiosity; I'd like to learn from this tragedy.
mrchad9 wrote:If his friend didn't want people to speculate then he should provide some information.
by mrchad9 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:35 pm
PellucidWombat wrote:I was just asked (by his friend) not to speculate, but wait for more official details. It isn't morbid curiosity; I'd like to learn from this tragedy.mrchad9 wrote:If his friend didn't want people to speculate then he should provide some information.
That's your response to the bereaved's loved ones request to just wait until all of the facts are in? You're an ass, Chad.
by MoapaPk » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:58 pm
by clmbr » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:06 pm
mrchad9 wrote:. . .
His friend is not in charge of public discussion and has no right to dictate the discourse of those who may wish to learn or use the events which occurred on Mount Langley as a lesson. It has already been published in the papers and people are free to discuss it if they like. I was respectful of the victim. As I stated, if his friend wanted people to base their discussions on additional details, then he is free to share them. But you cannot tell people to simply quit talking, nor does name calling improve your postion...
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by mrchad9 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:23 pm
MoapaPk wrote:I've become safer over the years from consideration of past mistakes; mine and others'. Mark's experiences made me more cautious, and his frank reporting was helpful to me. Certainly has influenced what I carry. I've never had to deal with an unplanned bivy, but it might be good to have the experience, to know what to expect in a very real way. A good bivy might be preferable to descending an icy pass in a dark storm.
We are all trying to build up that database in our brains, full of ways to deal with contingencies.
by PellucidWombat » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:53 pm
MoapaPk wrote:Oooo-kay, I didn't quite plan for the thread to turn out this way.
by mrchad9 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:19 pm
How many unplanned bivys above 13,000 feet and SARs in the two years following your Shasta trip did you have?
PellucidWombat wrote:And Chad's last vague comment regarding my climbing history makes him an ill-informed and ignorant ass and apparently he needs to fill me in on my climbing history since Mt Shasta. He should go and formulate his conspiracy theories with Eric Willhite. They're on the same illogical and demented mental plane.
by Kahuna » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:34 pm
by Tonka » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:09 am