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Left Behind on Everest

Postby DanTheMan » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:08 pm

Thought this was an interesting read, maybe a bit morbid http://godheadv.blogspot.com/2010/04/abandoned-on-everest.html. Be warned it contains some graphic images.

Also reminded me of this story which I think is still unexplained http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident.
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby dmiki » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:07 pm

I thought I was fairly up-to-date on this topic, but found lots of new information there.

A somewhat similar article (a long read, but well-written):
http://outsideonline.com/outside/featur ... ains_1.htm
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby Diver » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:27 pm

dmiki wrote:I thought I was fairly up-to-date on this topic, but found lots of new information there.

A somewhat similar article (a long read, but well-written):
http://outsideonline.com/outside/featur ... ains_1.htm


on the second page of that article they mentioned that Everest had "the first person to sleep on the summit". is it really true??
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby ExcitableBoy » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:29 pm

The Sherpa that had the speed record slept on top of Everest. He later died in a crevasse fall when he walked a short distance from camp to take a photograph. Can't remember his name but he was sponsored and even worked in the warehouse of Mountain Hardwear. They made a special one man tent for his Everest summit nap. He claims he never acutally slept, but was awake all night.
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby Diver » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:39 pm

i wonder how the anchored that tent on the top!
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby ExcitableBoy » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:57 pm

It was Babu Chiri Sherpa.
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby lcarreau » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:12 pm

Although relatives and lamas do the best they can to Influence future rebirth in a favorable body, it is generally agreed that the main determining factor is the working of karma, the principle by which meritorious and non-meritorious behaviors are appropriately rewarded or punished in countless future lives.

Hey, if you got good Karma, anything is possible.

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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby jedicolin » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:26 pm

A very interesting read with lots of information, thank you.
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby Yury » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:51 am

DanTheMan wrote:Also reminded me of this story which I think is still unexplained http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident.
It was unexplained in 1959 when people had limited knowledge of the avalanche danger.
Brief summary in Russian: http://www.mountain.ru/article/article_display1.php?article_id=947#list
Lengthy story with modern interpretation in Russian: http://www.alpklubspb.ru/ass/dyatlov.htm
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby DanTheMan » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:47 am

Do you think you could give a brief translation to English?
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby radson » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:17 pm

DanTheMan wrote:Thought this was an interesting read, maybe a bit morbid http://godheadv.blogspot.com/2010/04/abandoned-on-everest.html. Be warned it contains some graphic images.

Also reminded me of this story which I think is still unexplained http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident.



The article perpetuates the 1 in 10 mortality myth which may have been correct in the 80's,90's but not now. I think there have been roughly 3,500 individuals summiting with over 5,000 summits collectively.

Also this death zone thing. I know for most, I am stating the obvious but from my understandings, no-one can really acclimatize over 6,100 m (highest year round habitation at 5,500m?) for an extended period let alone 8,000 m. It's just a convenient line that someone has given a fancy label. Not to denigrate the hardships of 8,000 m climbing but one doesn't saunter along at 7,999 m and then suddenly enter a death zone at 8,000 m.
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby mconnell » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:12 pm

radson wrote: one doesn't saunter along at 7,999 m and then suddenly enter a death zone at 8,000 m.


but I saw on TV that there is a giant red grid at 8,000m. I understood that anyone going above that grid without oxygen will die in a predetermined number of minutes. I saw it on TV, so it must be true.
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby Buz Groshong » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:51 pm

mconnell wrote:
radson wrote: one doesn't saunter along at 7,999 m and then suddenly enter a death zone at 8,000 m.


but I saw on TV that there is a giant red grid at 8,000m. I understood that anyone going above that grid without oxygen will die in a predetermined number of minutes. I saw it on TV, so it must be true.


You are dead wrong! The TV lied! The giant red grid is at 7,620 m. I know someone who knows someone who read it on the internet, so it must be true. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby DersuUzala » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:20 pm

I sure wish they'd make a reality TV show about the death zone, then I'd really watch!
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Re: Left Behind on Everest

Postby Yury » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:26 am

DanTheMan wrote:
Yury wrote:
DanTheMan wrote:Also reminded me of this story which I think is still unexplained http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident.
It was unexplained in 1959 when people had limited knowledge of the avalanche danger.
Brief summary in Russian: http://www.mountain.ru/article/article_display1.php?article_id=947#list
Lengthy story with modern interpretation in Russian: http://www.alpklubspb.ru/ass/dyatlov.htm
Do you think you could give a brief translation to English?

Red dot on the photo in the middle of the http://www.alpklubspb.ru/ass/dyatlov_15.htm page represents the location of the tent.
It was setup on the 20 degrees slope.
Immediately above the tent slope was steeper - up to 30 degrees.
The tent was partially buried by a small slab avalanche at night.
People were able to get out of the tent without boots and warm clothes.
At that particular night temperature dropped by about 20 degrees because of the cold front.
People started freezing and descended to a forest (without a saw and an axe which were left buried under snow) in a hope to warm them with a fire.
They have managed to start the fire but were not able to provide enough dry wood and frozen to death.

Local criminal investigators were not familiar with avalanche danger.
They have not invited avalanche or mountaineering experts to participate in investigation and just concluded that this death was "accidental" without providing any specific explanation.
Such ambiguous conclusion caused rumours about government cover-up and this "mystery" was born.
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