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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby SeanReedy » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:17 pm

butitsadryheat wrote:A lone wolf is no more dangerous to her than any black bear, even less so, I would imagine.


My imagination brings me to someone with that mindset shooting herself. If not herself, then shooting an animal, or even another human, when other solutions are available. The sort of simple mindedness she displays unfairly leads to responsible gun owners being painted in a bad light with a broad brush:

http://www.redding.com/news/2012/jan/08/report-woman-accidentally-shoots-self/?partner=popular

I wonder if it will learn to live outside the pack.


Seems like the story of this particular wolf will be pretty easy to continue following. As far as things that usually happen, along with some things that have happened with wolf behavior around Yellowstone, the wikipedia page on gray wolves seems pretty well done:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_wolf
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby SeanReedy » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:55 am

This is the song that topped the charts...


...but this one made the charts first, and is more pertinent to the thread topic:
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby mountainsandsound » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:43 pm

That is too bad. I am personally not into trophy hunting, but if someone is following the laws established by the wildlife management agencies then so be it (Although often times those laws reflect the wishes of special interests more than the hard science of applied population biology). In Washington there is an ongoing problem of poaching in the Northeast Cascades, specifically the Lookout Pack, which was reduced from 10 wolves to 2 solely through the efforts of poachers.

http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom ... rainy-pass?

The threat posed to livestock is very much overblown. I admire the self-reliance of the old west that continues to this day, but things have changed. We can clear-cut a forest in no time, remove mountaintops, and effectively eliminate a wolf pack virtually overnight. We have nearly 7 billion people in the world in 2012. To ensure our survival as a species it is now ourselves we must subdue and restrain rather than nature.
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby peninsula » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:45 pm

mountainsandsound wrote:The threat posed to livestock is very much overblown. I admire the self-reliance of the old west that continues to this day, but things have changed. We can clear-cut a forest in no time, remove mountaintops, and effectively eliminate a wolf pack virtually overnight. We have nearly 7 billion people in the world in 2012. To ensure our survival as a species it is now ourselves we must subdue and restrain rather than nature.


Isn't that the truth! Ranchers worry about a few wolves while we humans behave like termites on a biodiversity feeding frenzy. By the time the floors fall out from under us, will it be too late?
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby dskoon » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:20 pm

peninsula wrote:
mountainsandsound wrote:The threat posed to livestock is very much overblown. I admire the self-reliance of the old west that continues to this day, but things have changed. We can clear-cut a forest in no time, remove mountaintops, and effectively eliminate a wolf pack virtually overnight. We have nearly 7 billion people in the world in 2012. To ensure our survival as a species it is now ourselves we must subdue and restrain rather than nature.


Isn't that the truth! Ranchers worry about a few wolves while we humans behave like termites on a biodiversity feeding frenzy. By the time the floors fall out from under us, will it be too late?


bold mine. Most likely. . .
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby jordansahls » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:03 pm

mountainsandsound wrote:In Washington there is an ongoing problem of poaching in the Northeast Cascades, specifically the Lookout Pack, which was reduced from 10 wolves to 2 solely through the efforts of poachers.

http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom ... rainy-pass?


Wow, that is disgusting. It is one of my dreams to see a wolf out in the North Cascades. I'm just really surprised that I have not heard about the poaching sooner seeing as how i spend a significant amount of time out there.
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby SeanReedy » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:33 am





Play this loudly in the right location and interesting things may happen.

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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby mountainsandsound » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:10 pm

jordansahls wrote:
Wow, that is disgusting. It is one of my dreams to see a wolf out in the North Cascades. I'm just really surprised that I have not heard about the poaching sooner seeing as how i spend a significant amount of time out there.


Yep. Most of my outdoor excursions are on the trails off highway 20 or in the Methow when I make it that far, and now I feel robbed of the chance to see a wolf or hear them howlin' at night when I'm in the woods. If anyone is interested, Conservation Northwest is a great organization to get involved with. They advocate in WA and OR for wilderness area and wildlife, and provided a necessary counterbalance to the ranching interests when Fish and Wildlife was having public hearings on wolf management strategies.

http://www.conservationnw.org/
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby mountainsandsound » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:12 pm

On a lighter note, thanks SeanReedy for playing my favorite Howlin Wolf song and possible my favorite all-time blues song!
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby SeanReedy » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:18 pm

mountainsandsound wrote:If anyone is interested, Conservation Northwest is a great organization to get involved with. They advocate in WA and OR for wilderness area and wildlife, and provided a necessary counterbalance to the ranching interests when Fish and Wildlife was having public hearings on wolf management strategies. http://www.conservationnw.org/


Good timing on the mentioning of conservation organizations and public hearings.
http://www.redding.com/news/2012/jan/10/a-wolf-at-the-door-county-talks-options/

article wrote:Members of the county's ranching and farming community expressed concerns at the meeting that the state has no set plans in place on how to manage wolves and they worry there won't be enough funding or political will to manage the predators properly. Leo Bergeron, president of the Siskiyou County Water Users Association, urged the county to pass a local law banning wolves from entering the state that would include county officials killing or relocating the animals...Members of the board said they were worried about the threat to ranchers' stock as well as to struggling elk and deer herds. They also expressed worries the federally protected species would mean even more land-use restrictions in an area already coping with limits on agriculture because of threatened coho salmon and still reeling from restrictions on logging because of the spotted owl. "Siskiyou County is inundated with endangered species," Supervisor Michael Kobseff said. In 2001, Siskiyou County's supervisors passed a resolution condemning the introduction of wolves and grizzly bears to the state. The resolution describes bears and wolves "an uncontrollable and deadly threat" to man and livestock.


article wrote:...biologists in Oregon told him, "This is the most controversial subject you'll have in your career."

That's saying a lot given the ongoing escalation of recent controversies in Siskiyou County alluded to above. Maybe the State of Jefferson movement will grow. Water management and fish protection has grown into a huge political issue in the region.
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby peninsula » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:08 pm

Leo Bergeron, president of the Siskiyou County Water Users Association, urged the county to pass a local law banning wolves from entering the state that would include county officials killing or relocating the animals...Members of the board said they were worried about the threat to ranchers' stock as well as to struggling elk and deer herds. They also expressed worries the federally protected species would mean even more land-use restrictions in an area already coping with limits on agriculture because of threatened coho salmon and still reeling from restrictions on logging because of the spotted owl. "Siskiyou County is inundated with endangered species," Supervisor Michael Kobseff said.


One would think the likes of a Leo Bergeron or Michael Kobseff would better appreciate the forces behind Siskiyou County's endangered species inundation.
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby mountainsandsound » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:56 pm

"Siskiyou County is inundated with endangered species," Supervisor Michael Kobseff said.


Such a terrible curse to have the place you live full of unique and diverse life-forms.
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby SeanReedy » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:19 am

seanreedy wrote:As for California's lone wolf, he's been heading south. I went on a nice long hike a couple of weeks ago not too far from where I suspect he is roaming now, in eastern Shasta County.


This map is on a delay to prevent human interference, but the wolf's progress is now trackable online:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/nongame/wolf/

Indeed, the wolf did cross my tracks. He roamed almost as far west as the Pit Arm of Shasta Lake and then almost as far south as Lassen National Park. I had a feeling he had roamed around Burney, Thousand Lakes Wilderness, and Hat Creek. He might not have crossed where I hiked (Magee TH to Crater Peak in Thousand Lakes Wilderness), but he definately traveled or crossed Ahspan Road that I took to get there, and which I stopped on to remove tire chains.

As of January 11, he was north of Eagle Lake heading toward 395 and the Warner Mountains. If he turned north, he's nearing Alturas. Any wagers on whether or not he stays west of the Warner Mountains? What about the date he leaves California? I'd be excited to see him head south or west again, but I'll take a guess--January 18.
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Re: Lone Wolf Enters California

Postby mountainsandsound » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:52 pm

I spent the first few years of my life in Shasta county, still have family there. That wolf definitely picked a great place to hang out. If I were him I'd stay, but I bet he'll be out of CA by January 21st, and head back up to Oregon and maybe start a new pack.
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