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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby Princess Buttercup » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:03 pm

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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:44 pm

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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby RickF » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:26 pm

On SummitPost when someone uses the term climbing it may connote any means of gainning altitude toward a summit. Only the 5.10+ arrogant, technical climbing snobs take issue with this. Obviously the OP used Morrison and skiable slopes as examples not Temple Crag, Whitney's east face or fifth class climbs. Reaching all summits involves climbing whether it be by walking or using all available technical movements or hardware.
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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby WML » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:08 pm

Is it climbing or is it walking? The ego calls it whatever it needs to hear...
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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:45 pm

WML wrote:Is it climbing or is it walking? The ego calls it whatever it needs to hear...


I do get confused when someone tells me they "climbed" Mt Whitney...using the Mt Whitney Trail. And 99.9999 percent of the people who "climb" Half Dome...use the cables.

Nothing to lose sleep over, though.

I thought "climbing" was where you used your feet and your hands. Like, I "climbed a tree"

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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby asmrz » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:10 pm

I guess I must be one of those arrogant climbing snobs. I would have to say I'm rather proud of our tiny, but extremely important climbing (not hiking) segment of the Summitpost. We kind of like to call things the way they really are, not what others would like them to be (in their dreams)...I mean no offense to the OP.
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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:38 pm

MigTigman wrote:
Anyone here "really" climbed Half Dome with over 250 lbs of stuff in two or three Haul Bags? I know Alois has on many occasions. If so, you know what I mean.


Whoa! Alois must have been pioneering a new route or trying to climb Bushido
BITD, I did the Robbins Route on the NW face (when I was a teenager) and we did not haul at all.


Do all the Class 2, X-C hikers on SP really go around calling themselves "climbers?" Class 2-3 travelers used to call themselves "scramblers"

But who really gives a flying shit, anyway?

These days...anything goes! If you wanna be badass, forget about being a climber, now you have to put on a wingsuit and leap off a big cliff and glide down at 200mph (wind aided) while scraping the face of the cliff with your right fingertips...recording it all on a helmet cam for Internet notoriety.

compared to that--climbers are wimps!


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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby asmrz » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:46 pm

Steve old buddy, I struggle with getting my daypack up the North Gully of Tahquitz these days, which as you know is an incredible CLIMB, but a bit short, with the trail in, and only hours, not days. I never carried over 60 lbs anywhere in my "Hiking" days. Anything over that was considered cheating, even on very technical -trails-. The above post to the contrary is the kind of stuff, that makes an old hiker like me ballon into a climber and creates a myth that Summitpost audience just can not deal with. We will have to stop this non-sense. Let's go climbing some great trail-route on this post. There are ton of them, one better that the other.
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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby thegib » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:54 pm

Sorry, off OP Topic, but it's a lazy Sunday and just to stir the pot;
The need some climbers have to publicly and repeatedly differentiate their activity from that of hikers is at least as pathological as hikers not appreciating the difference between hiking and climbing.
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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby jspeigl » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:38 pm

intransitive verb
1
a : to go upward with gradual or continuous progress : rise, ascend <watching the smoke climb>
b : to increase gradually <prices are continuing to climb>
c : to slope upward <a climbing path>
2
a : to go upward or raise oneself especially by grasping or clutching with the hands <climbed aboard the train>
b of a plant : to ascend in growth (as by twining)
3
: to go about or down usually by grasping or holding with the hands <climb down the ladder>
4
: to get into or out of clothing usually with some haste or effort <the firefighters climbed into their clothes>
transitive verb
1
: to go upward on or along, to the top of, or over <climb a hill>
2
: to draw or pull oneself up, over, or to the top of by using hands and feet <children climbing the tree>
3
: to grow up or over <ivy climbing the wall>
— climb·able adjective
See climb defined for English-language learners »
See climb defined for kids »
Examples of CLIMB

He dreams of climbing Kilimanjaro.
It took them six days to climb the mountain.
She has climbed seriously for several years now.
The actors were climbing down from the stage.
He climbed over the fence.
The passengers of the sailboat climbed aboard.
The pilot climbed into the cockpit.
I think she climbed in through the window.
He climbed out of the car with a box in his hands.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/climb
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Re: Mid-winter Sierra climbs: how foolish?

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:04 pm

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Here's a hiker on Half Dome...avoiding the crowded cable route. A lot of hikers just don't like messin' with gear.

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