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Postby SpiderSavage » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:50 pm

Lot's of rock climbing makes a better mountain climber. There are tricky bits up there.

Anything to build strength and endurance.

Also you should find steep and loose crappy piles of things and scramble up and down those. YOu have to be able to look at talus and know what will or won't go.

To improve your route finding skills any activity which requires rapid fire decision making:
Skiing moguls, trees, anything steep
Computer solitare played as fast as you can against a clock. Go for time period below one minute per game.
Talus running
High speed bicycle, or motor sports with obstacles.
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Postby pyerger » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:09 pm

mountain climbing, and rock climbing, really complement each other well. I'm probably a mountaineer first, and a rock climber second. But since mountaineering can be seasonal. rock climbing can fill the gap. Plus you need both skills for doing any kind of alpine climbing.

Don't forget about ICE CLIMBING!
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Postby pyerger » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:11 pm

mountain climbing, and rock climbing, really complement each other well. I'm probably a mountaineer first, and a rock climber second. But since mountaineering can be seasonal. rock climbing can fill the gap. Plus you need both skills for doing any kind of alpine climbing.

Don't forget about ICE CLIMBING!
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Postby sharperblue » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:31 pm

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:There is NOTHING better than alpine rock climbing.


precisely! thank you!
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Postby fatdad » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:27 pm

sharperblue wrote:
Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:There is NOTHING better than alpine rock climbing.


precisely! thank you!


Agreed!

But to answer your question, it really depends on what kind of objectives you set for yourself. If you intend on just doing class 1 and 2, long slow slogs, that kind of thing, then they're won't be much benefit. If you start scrambling, however, things where you'll be using both your hands and your feet, it will be a big boost. One, you'll be much more solid on the rock; and, two, you'll be much more confident moving quickly and safely on that type of terrain.

Given how big mountains are and how quickly weather can change, speed often equals safety. If you're scrambling up a long ridge, you'll need the skills and strength to get up and down fast. Also, climbing often puts you in situations that you hadn't intended. You could slip off an easy ridge and need to climb a steep wall to get back on route. You could get off route and need to climb something to continue or retreat, etc., etc., etc.

You need to learn to climb rock, however, No big plastic holds in the mountains. Lots of good cragging in the UK. Take a lesson and learn on the real thing. The gym is just a place to get fit. Unless you have an underlying skill set on the real thing, IMHO gyms are pretty close to being worthless.
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Postby Joe White » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:36 pm

sharperblue wrote:
Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:There is NOTHING better than alpine rock climbing.


precisely! thank you!


quite right
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Postby Hotoven » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:38 pm

fatdad wrote: IMHO gyms are pretty close to being worthless.


I think so too! :D

Although for starting out and getting use to the ropes they are helpful. By the time you consider yourself a "rock climber" you will hate gyms.
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Postby Jukka Ahonen » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:41 pm

fatdad wrote:You need to learn to climb rock, however, No big plastic holds in the mountains. Lots of good cragging in the UK. Take a lesson and learn on the real thing. The gym is just a place to get fit. Unless you have an underlying skill set on the real thing, IMHO gyms are pretty close to being worthless.


I agree with you on the longer run. But in my experience people tend to learn basics much faster indoors, especially through indoors bouldering. The safe, easy-to-approach environment, and ease of path finding enable one to focus on learning technique and building strength where it counts. And what I think is most important, they seem to build confidence in themselves faster as well.

Does indoor climbing substitute the "real thing"? No, it will not substitute high altitude alpine rock climbing, but neither does climbing a 30 ft crag. Both of them are ways to prepare for something more challenging. But just like that 30 ft crag is easier to reach for training purposes, so is the indoors gym for getting a lot of practice especially during the winter season.
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Postby MoapaPk » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:08 pm

For Scotland, you will soon be thinking about snow skills.
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Postby TheOrglingLlama » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:20 am

Also give some thought to Llama Trekking !

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Postby Andinistaloco » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:42 pm

For many summits, you NEED to be able to rock climb to get to the top. The Idol, the Worshipper, Bridge Mountain, Mescalito, Cathedral Peak, Courthouse Butte, Bell Rock, Bearhat, Flag Butte, the Acropolis, Mescal Mtn., Bad Rock Peak, Moran, Owen, the Grand, Lost Mtn., Coxcomb Pk., Pingora, the Fortress, and Baxter's Pinnacle come to mind immediately.

I'd think if you're into mountaineering you'd want to have decent skills on rock and ice at the very least, just in case you encounter those things on your way to the summit.
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Postby SpiderSavage » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:32 pm

Nice list of peaks, but she lives in the UK, so think really big hill with a hard rocky bit on one side, scrambling up that in winter, full conditions.
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Re: Mountain Climbing and Rock Climbing...do you do both?

Postby James_W » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:55 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:I don't understand the dichotomy of your view. Rock climbing IS mountaineering. Yes of course it benefits - increased skills. I have never understood this notion very well of incomplete mountaineers.

Skiing, rock climbing, ice climbing, bouldering, aid climbing, free climbing, hiking up a slag heap - its ALL mountaineering.

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