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Postby Clark_Griswold » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:21 am

coldfoot wrote:The hikearizona.com ratings seem to be mostly difficulty based on strenuousness of hike (length, elevation etc.) and aren't indicative of technical nature. Some hikes I know that are rated 4 or 5 in "difficulty" are long and hard, but Class 1 all the way on paths easy to follow.


Isn't that what I said, but you got one thing wrong, if it is "rated" a number, that is hiker consensus, where as the difficulty is listed as such by the author.


Arizona is a big state. I don't think you can easily plan a short trip from a relatively unorganized site like hikearizona. This is a time when you could use a real paper guidebook that has seen the touch of an editor, like the Hiking Arizona book, or pick an area and get a book for that location. It doesn't have to be the perfect book, just one that names a few good outings in your desired place. Have fun.


Actually, hikearizona is specifically designed to allow people to put together hikes, or climbs when in the database, to search by area, and to find trail-heads on the maps that are there. Use the traildex or traildex map to find stuff. If you still think you need the opinion of a paper published author, by all means spend the money on a book, but hikearizona is well enough designed to allow you to plan a trip using it.
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Postby coldfoot » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:03 am

jhodlof wrote:
coldfoot wrote:The hikearizona.com ratings seem to be mostly difficulty based on strenuousness of hike (length, elevation etc.) and aren't indicative of technical nature. Some hikes I know that are rated 4 or 5 in "difficulty" are long and hard, but Class 1 all the way on paths easy to follow.


Isn't that what I said, but you got one thing wrong, if it is "rated" a number, that is hiker consensus, where as the difficulty is listed as such by the author.



Yes, I just wanted to add the direct comment that a 4 or 5 difficulty can be Class 1, since that's the grade the OP asked about.

I said "rated 4 or 5 in difficulty", I wasn't discussing the hiker consensus quality rating.

I know hikearizona.com has sub-categories by area and so on, but I still think it is too complex and detailed for someone on their first visit to Arizona, who hasn't expressed a desire for a specific type of trip and would probably be well served by hitting a few classic outings.
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Re: Need a Jumpstart - Trip Planning - AZ

Postby Day Hiker » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:19 am

1000Pks wrote:Meteor Crater (limited hours)

jdzaharia wrote:In late April, my wife and I will be in Arizona for 4 to 5 days.


I can't guess at your time zone because ND is split between two. But don't forget, outside of Navajo land, Arizona does NOT observe the Daylight Saving hocus-pocus, so they'll be on the same time zone as CA and NV and one hour behind UT and NM. So, if you didn't yet switch your clock when entering AZ, you'll have a bonus hour of abierto in the evening at the crater. :D That's the way it worked for me one time, anyway.
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Re: Need a Jumpstart - Trip Planning - AZ

Postby Clark_Griswold » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:39 pm

Day Hiker wrote:
1000Pks wrote:Meteor Crater (limited hours)

jdzaharia wrote:In late April, my wife and I will be in Arizona for 4 to 5 days.


I can't guess at your time zone because ND is split between two. But don't forget, outside of Navajo land, Arizona does NOT observe the Daylight Saving hocus-pocus, so they'll be on the same time zone as CA and NV and one hour behind UT and NM. So, if you didn't yet switch your clock when entering AZ, you'll have a bonus hour of abierto in the evening at the crater. :D That's the way it worked for me one time, anyway.


And it's only the official things on the Res that use Daylight Savings, the people do what they want. The Hopi don't use it, so if you go to Hopi-land you're back in the proper time.
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Re: Need a Jumpstart - Trip Planning - AZ

Postby jdzaharia » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:39 pm

jhodlof wrote:The pics from page one are taken from the new Red Rocks Sedona USFS visitor center on AZ Highway 179 just south of the V.O.C., or Village of Oak Creek. Bell Rock is the small bell shaped formation in the center of one of the pics, and Courthouse Butte is on the right of Bell. There is a Wendy's just up the road. I have had their Spicy Chicken, and it was good.

Thanks. Are you trying to facetiously elude to the touristy nature of that area?


jhodlof wrote:traildex map

Thanks for pointing that feature out.


coldfoot wrote:Yes, I just wanted to add the direct comment that a 4 or 5 difficulty can be Class 1, since that's the grade the OP asked about.

I appreciate the input, coldfoot.

I have found the weeding-out of info on Hike AZ to be somewhat tedious. But, very interesting, too.


1000Pks wrote:You may wish to get a few large scale topos

I have ordered the DeLorme map book for AZ, and also the National Geographic Trails Illustrated map for the Superstition and Four Peaks Wilderness areas. I'd like more maps, as I likely will not have the intermess available. I plan to order some USFS maps for Tonto and Coconino. I think they're 1:125k, right?


Day Hiker wrote:I can't guess at your time zone because ND is split between two. But don't forget, outside of Navajo land, Arizona does NOT observe the Daylight Saving

I'm in Central Time. So, Arizona is effectively in Pacific Time during the summer?
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Re: Need a Jumpstart - Trip Planning - AZ

Postby Day Hiker » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:45 pm

jdzaharia wrote:
Day Hiker wrote:I can't guess at your time zone because ND is split between two. But don't forget, outside of Navajo land, Arizona does NOT observe the Daylight Saving

I'm in Central Time. So, Arizona is effectively in Pacific Time during the summer?


Yes, basically. Because MST=PDT=GMT-7.
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Postby jdzaharia » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:14 pm

Nobody has mentioned much about the Superstition Mountains. Is it likely to be too hot there at the end of April?

How about Superstition Peak? http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock ... -peak.html It looks like there is a designated (possibly marked) trail from Carney Springs/Peralta Rd. But, how is the trail from the Heiroglyphic trailhead. I'm guessing it would be pretty decent for the first bit, but then it looks like off-trail route-finding after that. How far?

How would Superstition Peak compare to Flatiron or other hikes around the Superstitions?
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Postby jdzaharia » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:09 pm

Some words I've read a bunch, but never heard pronounced:

Coconino
Chiricahua
Piestewa

Can anybody help me with the phonetics?
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Postby Clark_Griswold » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:53 pm

jdzaharia wrote:Some words I've read a bunch, but never heard pronounced:

Coconino
Chiricahua
Piestewa

Can anybody help me with the phonetics?



Coconino= Ko Ko Nino
Chiricahua= Cheer E KaWa
Piestewa= Pie Est eWa or, the old name of Squaw Peak.
FYI:
Kaibab= KI Bab
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Postby jdzaharia » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:37 pm

Thank you.

It looks like I will not need any passes or permits to park at a trailhead or day hike in Tonto NF, including the Superstition Wilderness. But, it looks like I will need a Red Rocks Pass to park at trailheads near Sedona. Any other fees or passes I should be aware of? Different USFS lands seem to be very inconsistent.
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Postby jdzaharia » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:22 pm

As I read more about hiking and where I want to visit, the theme that keeps recurring is how difficult some of the hiking is. Is it unrealistic for a flatlander to fly from a place where it may well be 40F, to Phoenix and expect to go schlepping up Brown's Peak or Flatiron the next morning? If it's warm, is it unreasonable to hike up some of these features and be back down before the heat really kicks in? I've hiked several times in Zion, western North Dakota, and southeastern Colorado when it's been near 100F. Is AZ that much more brutal?


Is there still snow in the scree chute of Brown's Peak?
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Postby jdzaharia » Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:15 pm

Dry heat always seems easier to me. I'd take 95F at 10% humidity over 80F at 60% any day. Maybe I'm all wet.

Speaking of being all wet, is there likely to be afternoon thunderstorms at the end of this month?
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