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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:06 am

MoapaPk wrote:A reminder, Azzy probably made it.

http://www3.utsidan.se/corax-e/muztagh/muztagh.htm

I think most Himalayan climbers would acknowledge some of the climbs are "just" long slogs. Others require rock climbing skill... with mittens, plastic boots, crampons, Michelin-man clothes, hypoxia, and slick snow.



I would guess that Azzy is now ready for the South Col of Everest...especially if he has 60,000 dollars to give to a guide; just a matter of sliding an ascender along a fixed rope...and walking ten feet every few minutes.

Amazing how Everest has become the site of benefits and fundraisers or whatever, for all sorts of special interest groups trying to make a point about something. No doubt some tow ropes could be rigged up to an iron lung...and that too would surely be an incredible "first"

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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby MoapaPk » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:36 am

Nothing Azzy posted convinces me that he has the right kitten-rescue skills.
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:52 am

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Alright, little noob Azzy aside, and disregarding his death-defying stunt on the low-angle slopes of Mt Shasta...

and just for the sake of a little civil discussion....

FACT: the "best climbers" in the world do indeed spend their time in the high mountains, and they are NOT rock climbers! But neither are they called "mountaineers"...they are of course the hardcore technical alpinists who climb very, very steep rock and ice walls at high altitude...but these folks are not mountaineers

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Now, with all due respect to "Mr Ed" and his remarkable mountaineering feats, and his unbelievable aerobic and physical endurance, and the fact that he has heroically saved the lives of others, etc, etc. STILL...his accomplishments cannot be compared to those of the elite rock climber Lynn Hill (though of course Ms Hill's activities could be called "safe" compared to Mr Ed's, and I do respect Mr Ed greatly)

The reason? Because I honestly believe that there is NO WAY that Mr Ed could ever duplicate Lynn Hill's rock climbing accomplishments, no matter how hard he trained, WHEREAS I believe that Ms Hill, with her determination and ultra-athleticism and mental toughness, could somewhat easily duplicate the feats of Mr Ed, if she wanted to...Yes!


LYNN HILL ROCKS!

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Postby JB99 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:00 am

Well this apple I just ate tastes way better than the last orange I had...
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby MoapaPk » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:38 am

Superman only defeated Frankenstein because he was able to fly -- and I saw this at Palisades Park. We argued about this for hours, when I was 9.

I ask you: has Lynn Hill ever rescued a kitten? Huh? Huh, Mr. Smarty-pants?
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:33 am

azzy wrote:I don't want the mountain to myself or anything geo-erotic like that.



azzy, will you please come back and explain what "geo-erotic" means?


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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby kevin trieu » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:42 am

Hey Steve, so was Daria a rock climber or mountain climber?
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:53 am

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IMO, D would truly excel in Alaska or wherever there are BIG mountains




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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby goldenhopper » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:58 pm

kevin trieu wrote:Hey Steve, so was Daria a rock climber or mountain climber?



You're not going to get Steve to speak ill about the love of his life Kevin.
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby Trawinski » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:30 pm

Steve1215 wrote:--

WHEREAS I believe that Ms Hill, with her determination and ultra-athleticism and mental toughness, could somewhat easily duplicate the feats of Mr Ed, if she wanted to...Yes!

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I strongly disagree. Perhaps Ms. Hill could climb all 14 8,000m peaks, unguided, without supplemental oxygen, or perhaps she'd die in short order (which I think is considerably more probable). There's no way to say with any certainty and in either case, it would be far from "somewhat easily" accomplished. Mental toughness, ultra-athleticism and determination are precisely the qualities that get people killed every year in the big mountains, especially the determination part. But the skills that keep you alive in the mountains are not learned by leading a 5.12b on some crag in Yosemite. If you want to shit on being guided to the top of Everest, be my guest, I'm right there with you. Most of the skills needed to safely ascend and descend big mountains will be provided for you by the experienced guide, and yes, in that case it may be as simple as putting one foot in front of the other with "determination, ultra-athleticism and mental toughness". But I take exception to the notion that climbing a mountain in the wilderness (unguided)is simply a longer, but easier version of climbing a rock pitch. You're comparing apples and oranges and apparently for no other reason than to offend.
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:19 pm

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NOPE...I did not want to offend people; and if you find my argument not credible...then it should not offend anyone. I just wanted to get on the internet and blab my opinion, and opinions are like a-holes, eh?

After all, this is a discussion forum. So good rebuttal there, Trawinski. Yeah, it's an apples-oranges thing.

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Postby jesu, joy of man's desiring » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:23 pm

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For my money, there will always be only one Mr Ed.........

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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby kevin trieu » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:29 pm

goldenhopper wrote:
kevin trieu wrote:Hey Steve, so was Daria a rock climber or mountain climber?


You're not going to get Steve to speak ill about the love of his life Kevin.

Steve is approaching The Chief as one of my favorite SP characters. he'll still need to step up his douchbaggery a tab bit.
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby goldenhopper » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:28 pm

kevin trieu wrote:
goldenhopper wrote:
kevin trieu wrote:Hey Steve, so was Daria a rock climber or mountain climber?


You're not going to get Steve to speak ill about the love of his life Kevin.

Steve is approaching The Chief as one of my favorite SP characters. he'll still need to step up his douchbaggery a tab bit.


Blasphemy! No one can touch Rick's prowess :wink:
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Re: Novice. Attempting Shasta solo this wknd(j11). Need advi

Postby RickF » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:47 pm

Azzy,

Ohhh Aaaazzy! Ollie-Ollie Oxen-Free! Where's the trip report? Inquiring minds need to know! Summit or not, there's no shame in trying. Don't fear the flames that you'll surely be subjected to. After 8 pages of discussion, debate and controversy please post and give us some closure.

Post now or be cast into the abyss with the other trolls who have dared to deceive on SP.
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