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NY Times column & We die Alone

Postby tigerlilly » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:56 pm

wow.

One of my favorite books (We Die Alone) ends up in one of my favorite NYT editorial columns (David Brooks).

ahhhh...The stars align.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/opinion/02brooks.html
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Postby dskoon » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:55 pm

Wow, that sounds like an incredible story.
Saw that earlier when I was perusing the times, but skipped reading it. Thanks for drawing it to my attention.
Will check out the book!
I wonder if that story could've occurred in the U.S? Then, maybe, but now? Do we have enough social unity for such an outpouring of a "social cocktail," as Brooks calls it? Hmmm.
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Postby mvs » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:02 pm

dskoon wrote:Wow, that sounds like an incredible story.
Saw that earlier when I was perusing the times, but skipped reading it. Thanks for drawing it to my attention.
Will check out the book!
I wonder if that story could've occurred in the U.S? Then, maybe, but now? Do we have enough social unity for such an outpouring of a "social cocktail," as Brooks calls it? Hmmm.


Wow, that is an incredible story!

I think a story like this could happen anywhere that people are confronted by something as starkly evil as Nazi ideology. The sad thing is that the stories of betrayel and weakness will likely be more numerous... :cry:
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Postby dskoon » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:12 pm

Yeah, I guess what I was getting at, w/out making this thread and the story too political, is, just given our social climate, ie. a pretty divided nation, politically and culturally, could we come together in such circumstances? Maybe if we were fighting Nazis within and around our shores, perhaps that would give rise to such social unity. Dunno. We had it once, during WWII, but, not sure it's been around since. . .
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Postby Jimmie » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:39 am

These days there's an annual march along the same route as the escape - although one doesn't get thrown into the sea mid-winter with no shoes and get shot at by nazis. :)

http://karlsoy.com/baalsrud/index_e.htm

There are a lot of tough kids these days who could do the same stuff. But in lack of a war they win gold medals instead.
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Postby tigerlilly » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:33 pm

that's amazing. guess I have my summer planned out for me now!
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Postby MoapaPk » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:58 pm

Today I helped a woman in the grocery store find the coffee ice cream. And I don't even know her.
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Postby dskoon » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:00 am

MoapaPk wrote:Today I helped a woman in the grocery store find the coffee ice cream. And I don't even know her.


You should be on that commercial, wherein one good deed leads someone to do another!
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Postby MoapaPk » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:34 am

dskoon wrote:
MoapaPk wrote:Today I helped a woman in the grocery store find the coffee ice cream. And I don't even know her.


You should be on that commercial, wherein one good deed leads someone to do another!


She then showed a wino where to find the booze. I was so proud.
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Postby Sierra Ledge Rat » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:13 pm

I would have given up and died.
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Postby Jimmie » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:25 am

dskoon wrote:Yeah, I guess what I was getting at, w/out making this thread and the story too political, is, just given our social climate, ie. a pretty divided nation, politically and culturally, could we come together in such circumstances? Maybe if we were fighting Nazis within and around our shores, perhaps that would give rise to such social unity. Dunno. We had it once, during WWII, but, not sure it's been around since. . .


I don't think this kind of discussion ever occurs here. Having been invaded before, the population of a country will always prepare for it to happen again.

Norwegians spent most of the 1945-1989 period preparing for a Soviet invasion. There's conscription for men and voluntary army service for women. When you leave the army, you kept the gun, uniform and kit - and were on call for decades after. It's kinda like Israel, and until a few years Norway could call up an army of 300 000 soldiers in hours/days. (In US terms that'd be an army of 20-25 million.)

Despite the size of the army during the Cold War, there's no way a massive tank-supported Soviet invasion could have be stopped, only delayed until the US and Canada came to help. Everyone knew most soldiers would end up fighting a partisan war or be so-called stay behind groups, comparable to WW2.

With just about every male citizen trained for such a conflict, I don't think the general mentality has changed at all since WW2. People will help partisans and stay behind groups. And if one reads the insane mid-winter trip reports kids these days put up on the local mountaineering boards, there's no doubt there are enough tough kids to survive the same hardships of WW2.
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Postby Snowslogger » Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:09 am

Chewbacca wrote:These days there's an annual march along the same route as the escape - although one doesn't get thrown into the sea mid-winter with no shoes and get shot at by nazis. :)

http://karlsoy.com/baalsrud/index_e.htm

There are a lot of tough kids these days who could do the same stuff. But in lack of a war they win gold medals instead.


Not thinking of some skiier named Petter are you :wink:
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Postby CheesySciFi » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:09 pm

dskoon wrote:Yeah, I guess what I was getting at, w/out making this thread and the story too political, is, just given our social climate, ie. a pretty divided nation, politically and culturally, could we come together in such circumstances? Maybe if we were fighting Nazis within and around our shores, perhaps that would give rise to such social unity. Dunno. We had it once, during WWII, but, not sure it's been around since. . .


I believe that the American people would be capable of pulling together, but it would take some pretty dire circumstances to make it happen. I have serious doubts as to whether the leadership of either major political party over the past couple decades would be up to it. If the kind of leadership that we've had recently was around in 1944, they would have vowed to get half our tanks past the hedgerows in France by the end of 1947! I just don't see the necessary unity, sense of purpose, or can-do attitude.
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Postby Brad Marshall » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:12 pm

MoapaPk wrote:
dskoon wrote:
MoapaPk wrote:Today I helped a woman in the grocery store find the coffee ice cream. And I don't even know her.


You should be on that commercial, wherein one good deed leads someone to do another!


She then showed a wino where to find the booze. I was so proud.


Give a wino a bottle and he'll drink for a day.
Show a wino where the bottles are he'll drink for a lifetime.
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Postby Brad Marshall » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:16 pm

By the way that was an amazing story and one I hadn't heard before. Thanks for letting me know about it.
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