asmrz wrote:myfirceblackhound wrote:
"I'm not saying any of you should go out and immediately buy some but I'm a bit surprised at how closed minded all of you are towards these. I don't see any reason to be scared of them."
Well, maybe we are sceptical about everything that has to do with climbing gear and always have been. You might not ask why, but I will tell you anyway, because climbers are the most sceptical bunch you'll ever meet. Talk is cheap, marketing BS will not do, and when we (collectively) feel that a product works, we defend it. Our life might depend on it.
BTW, what is your level of experience? I looked at your name and you have nothing posted. From what point of view are you talking to us? I would hope that you have technical rock climbing background...
Whether he is credible or not, no one here has actually tested these stoppers. The Chief threw out some numbers on these stoppers vs BD stoppers (props) but the strength ratings aren't enough to make me run for the hills. I use a #1 Blue Metolius TCU ALOT- that is rated to 8kN (none of the gear4rocks stoppers in the Chiefs table are rated below that). Also, he went into the background behind the company and other products but that still doesn't address the functionality of these plastic nuts. Climbers have the right to be skeptic about their gear. It seems like in this discussion that it is not only skepticism at play, but also unwillingness to field the idea that a plastic nut has potential to work.
Then there is the issue with the certs. From the gear4rocks website- The gear4rocks links cams have passed CE certification. We will now be working through the UIAA or CE certification process for our other lines of equipment. As resources and time allows we hope to gain additional certifications for all of our gear. Unfortunately at this time we are unable to determine how long it will be before paperwork & testing processes are complete. Upon completion of CE and UIAA testing, certificates will be issued with the appropriate safety labels and the gear4rocks eBay listings and gear4rocks web site will be updated to reflect the endorsement. In case anybody hasn't checked out their website, here is the link http://shop.gear4rocks.com/en/nuts-stoppers/plastic-nuts-set-of-eight/prod_58.html
So if it is the certs that everyone is worried about, don't buy them- simple solution. Gear4rocks is working towards a cert so it would be interesting to see if they actually become UIAA and CE certified. In the mean time, since people haven't actually played around with these nuts (I think the Chief said that he might have played with them), the only thing that can be said against them is that they aren't certified (which is big and I understand that).
Myfierceblackhound has been making good points (as has everyone). Climbing background would help, but most of these points that he has been making are logical points. If it turns out that he climbs 5.3, the points he made are still logical conclusions.
And I may have missed certain points that have been brought up already, and if so, I apologize