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Postby Andinistaloco » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:46 pm

Corax wrote:Do you consider the drop in between the two Baturas enough to make Batura II an independent mountain?
If 107 meters count, we would have a whole bunch of new 8000 meter peaks.



Hey Corax, what IS the rule in the Himalayas? Is the drop between peaks a standard amount (like 300m) or do I recall something about a percentage of the higher mountain's height?

Either way 107m isn't enough... but it would mean there are almost twice as many new peaks! :wink:
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Postby SophiaClimbs » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:02 pm

juh33 wrote:Hey Corax, what IS the rule in the Himalayas? Is the drop between peaks a standard amount (like 300m) or do I recall something about a percentage of the higher mountain's height?


I think it varies by location. I've heard 600m as the rule but that seems like a lot. I'm not sure if there's even a 600m drop between Lhotse and Everest? (If there is, it must be pretty close.) 300m sounds more reasonable. 107m seems too little.
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Postby Corax » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:09 pm

juh33 wrote:
Corax wrote:Do you consider the drop in between the two Baturas enough to make Batura II an independent mountain?
If 107 meters count, we would have a whole bunch of new 8000 meter peaks.



Hey Corax, what IS the rule in the Himalayas? Is the drop between peaks a standard amount (like 300m) or do I recall something about a percentage of the higher mountain's height?

Either way 107m isn't enough... but it would mean there are almost twice as many new peaks! :wink:


Not sure about the official rule. If there is any. I have heard 400m (which seems to be the standard in South America), also 7%.

I'm still waiting for an answer from Moro or Heichel, but I'm pretty sure I wont get any.

"Author of many books including a specific book about the mountain region incorporating Batura; Wolfgang Heichel from Germany was the person who actually suggested the Batura climb to me - explaining why Batura 2 has to be considered the highest unclimbed summit of the planet."

"Some people posed the same question as you are doing now and Wolfgang Heichel answered them directly. Other people who need a scientific explanation about this can reach Wolfgang at wheichel@T-Online.de.


I would like to have "a scientific explanation".
It would be really interesting.
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Postby Corax » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:17 pm

Corax wrote:I have heard 400m (which seems to be the standard in South America), also 7%.


Here's what John Biggar writes on his website about the "South American rule".
He's an authority on the subject and has the best peak list around.

http://www.andes.org.uk/andes-informati ... -peaks.htm

I wish there was something similar for all the Asian peaks.
The closest I've found is on this site:
http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/

The criterion used to select this list is a prominence height (re-ascent from the lowest col) of at least 400m from any higher peak. This figure was chosen for several reasons. Without greatly affecting the overall number of peaks, any larger prominence requirement eliminates some of the most notable summits in the Andes such as Tocllaraju, Jirishanca and Illampu while any lesser prominence criterion includes minor summits such as both the N and E peaks of Coropuna and up to five more Pissis peaks. In addition many surveys are not detailed enough to allow a prominence of less than 400m to be used with confidence.
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Postby Diego Sahagún » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:50 am

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Postby Cy Kaicener » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:54 am

Here is another link to the Meru Shark's Fin climb.
http://www.climbing.com/news/hotflashes/merusharksfin/
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Postby Diego Sahagún » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:58 am

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Postby Cy Kaicener » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:12 pm

Bad News :cry: Sirdar Lakpa Rita Sherpa 25 died in a avalanche on Annapurna
http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?news=15227
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Postby DudeThatMustHurt » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:30 pm

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Postby Diego Sahagún » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:55 am

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Postby Cy Kaicener » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:51 pm

Here below (the second link) is the www.alpinist.com version of the new route on Palung Ri
http://www.alpinist.com/doc/ALP17/newsw ... g-ri-tosas
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Postby Cy Kaicener » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:16 am

Serap Jangbu Sherpa now has 10 of the 14 - 8000 meter peaks
http://www.everestnews.com/2006expediti ... 302006.htm
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Postby Cy Kaicener » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:04 pm

The Portuguese climber Joao Garcia has reached the summit of Shisha Pangma with two of his team mates. It is his eighth 8000 meter peak. All the other teams were departing, but they perservered up.
http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?news=15241

http://sic.sapo.pt/online/blogs/shishapangma/ - Potuguese blog
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Postby Cy Kaicener » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:48 pm

Slovenian climber Pavle Kozjek climbs a new route on the Sw face of Cho Oyu in one day from Advanced Base Camp
http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?news=15249
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Postby Corax » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:06 am

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