by woodsxc » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:35 pm
by Guyzo » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:41 pm
The Chief wrote:Yeah... I am taking this very seriously.
Monopolization that controls the entire guiding access within our National Parks and Forests, is a very dangerous thing.
Especially when it affects the existence and livelihood of many guides and the guiding orgs they pertain to that have been around longer than the self imposed "controlling" corporation that tells them to play along with them, or go away.
Mike, it has absolutely nothing to do with the guiding services themselves. Rather the entity that accredits them and seeks to oversee them.
I firmly believe that there should more than one entity out there that instructs and certifies guides within the Untied States. As long as they are playing from the same sheet of music there should be absolutely no issue. Allowing competition amongst that community would certainly foster some serious thought to the exploitation of course prices and encourage different ideas in the manner of which courses are taught and people are certified.
by howiemtnguide » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:36 pm
Guyzo wrote:Howie and Chief.
Howie you cleared up some Q"s I had about the whole cert process and International Guiding.
I feel that competition is always best.
It's best for the customers and the guides.
To give one group preference over another regarding the use of our public lands would be wrong it would be Un-American.
That is just my opinion..... and I have no dog in this fight.
I do have a question, I asked this one before, maybe Howie can answer this one for me.
Does the AMGA sell the insurance a guide would use?
Or does one earn the certification, from AMGA, and go purchase from a third party who uses the cert as some sort of evidence of skills for the guide?
The beef I have with "ALL GUIDES" is when they take groups to popular spots and monopolize all the climbs with top ropes.
by ksolem » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:14 pm
.... I had a French guide tell me once, "In America you say you live in the land of the free, but you cannot even go to your own mountains."
by howiemtnguide » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:31 pm
The Chief wrote:- One of the contending factors in regards to the increasing Denali Fee...
Has to do with growing amounts of folks flocking to do the hill. The cost for the growing number of SAR Ops and the waste management by the NPS which have absolutely nothing to do with any Guiding Service.
- In the Alps, the people have absolutely zero LNT ethics in their hills...none! That my friend is fact for I have played in them hills many a time in the past 45 years and have witnessed the eco autrocities that have grown. And let's not even talk about the commercialization of their hills... Trams, Grid Bolted routes by the hundreds, Helo rides to any area, Helo Pads, Huts, Via Ferreta's a la go anywhere ya want etc etc...
If there were no "controls" in the Whitney Area as well as others, that place would be a complete cesspool, Via Ferrata's and Grid Bolting a la mode, plain and simple.
- Do not the areas you share that are under the scrutiny of the ignorant land managers, have designated "Qualified Climbing Ranger's" that in most if not all cases, are or have some sort of AMGA affiliation?
by Guyzo » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:37 pm
by howiemtnguide » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:10 pm
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