Some more troubling evidence of global warming:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/world ... ss&emc=rss

It's crazy but I've gotta say that i'm not terribly surprised.

That's pretty said. I was shocked to see how small the glaciers looked when I was there in 2007. They seemed but mere slivers to me atop the summit ridge.

Oh, no!!!

Now they will have to rename this classic book!

FortMental wrote:whatever happened to the idea of painting the summit white (like Monty Python did when they tried painting that beach-sand white for that scene with the giant penguin and the long green tentacles)....anybody remember that?......hello? anyone?

Last week on Kili there was a group of ornithologists on the summit trying to estimate the airspeed velocity of an unladen African swallow.

Note this reference. (cited in NYT article)

and here.

Haven't you all heard? Less and Less Americans believe in Global Warming these days. Stop trying to use "evidence" to support your theories.

FortMental wrote:whatever happened to the idea of painting the summit white (like Monty Python did when they tried painting that beach-sand white for that scene with the giant penguin and the long green tentacles)....anybody remember that?......hello? anyone?

Yes- the attack of the electric penguin.

Good one!

Wow, I need to get out there and climb a hard route on that joint before all the snow routes are gone! (If there's even still a harder glacier route.)

Me too. I'll be pissed if I finally make it out there and its all gone

outofstep80 wrote:Haven't you all heard? Less and Less Americans believe in Global Warming these days. Stop trying to use "evidence" to support your theories.

Yeah. Next they'll be trying to convince us that the earth is round and that it revolves around the sun!

Folks: Read the article a bit more carefully; especially read the cited article in American Scientist, which is much more thorough. Recorded/ extrapolated temperatures at the Kibo ice cap have varied little over the years, but there has been a dearth of new snow to replace that which mainly fell between 10000 and 2000 BC, when we had forests and lakes in the Sahara.

MoapaPk wrote:Folks: Read the article a bit more carefully; especially read the cited article in American Scientist, which is much more thorough. Recorded/ extrapolated temperatures at the Kibo ice cap have varied little over the years, but there has been a dearth of new snow to replace that which mainly fell between 10000 and 2000 BC, when we had forests and lakes in the Sahara.

There you go with that pesky evidence again! You've got to stop thinking, and just believe! I say believe! Can I have an amen! I say believe! Damn you, believe!

I actually am a global warming believer. I think both sides have there extremes though. It is definitely a complex system that we are trying to analyze and it is difficult to know the extent of the damage we have caused, but to think that everything we do has no impact is more than a little...(fill in the blank)

outofstep80 wrote:I actually am a global warming believer. I think both sides have there extremes though. It is definitely a complex system that we are trying to analyze and it is difficult to know the extent of the damage we have caused, but to think that everything we do has no impact is more than a little...(fill in the blank)

You know, I guess since this isn't PnP, we'll allow you to be reasonable.

That's actually the way I see it. We can't predict the weather a week ahead, so while we can observe a trend and possibly predict that it will continue, we really can't predict its magnitude very accurately. But yes, everything we do has consequences and we have certainly increased substantially the output of CO2 to the atmosphere. We have also released halocarbon gasses into the atmosphere that are breaking down the ionospheric ozone.