by welle » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:05 pm
by Autoxfil » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:24 pm
asmrz wrote:Good for you.
by jthomas » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:43 pm
Autoxfil wrote:asmrz wrote:Good for you.
I wasn't trying to be rude. Hardshells don't breathe very well. I don't think any other WB membrane would have let any more moisture out - it might have just absorbed it into the lining so you couldn't feel it as much. Were you wearing a long-sleeve layer under it? That's certainly how it's meant to be used.
You would have been dry, comfy, and warm in a Houdini. If there was a chance that you could have gotten caught in a real rainstorm, bring the SA in your pack. Or better yet, a lighter rainjacket.
The SA is a full-on alpine hardshell. It's just a 2.5 layer, the SE is a 3-layer. My partners have one of each - I don't like either, because I don't like any hardshell except in very specific situations. As hardshells go, they are very nice and if you want a shell I don think you'll find a significantly better one on the market.
I'm just saying, check your assumptions - why do you need a hardshell? Because it might rain? What happens if it does rain? Will you be much wetter in the softshell? Will
being wet reduce your safety? If not, wouldn't you rather be miserable and wet that one time it does storm than each and every outing when it doesn't? Would a $100 4oz windshirt and $150 6oz rainshell offer more flexibility than one 12-20oz $250 hardshell?
by Autoxfil » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:49 pm
by asmrz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:23 pm
by welle » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:35 pm
asmrz wrote:BTW, even the SE seems to have the same coating, so not much breathing ability. I believe there must be a reasonably priced hardshell on the market that is rain,snow proof, fits well, is of alpine grade, has a roll up hood suitable for a helmet and breathes well. I don't think Patagonia product line has such shell.
by asmrz » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:22 am
by Autoxfil » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:29 am
by cp59 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:49 am
asmrz wrote: Patagonia says that the SA is their (presently) most breathable hard shell, yet it feels and performs like a rubberized (nylon coated) rain jacket of years ago.
by jthomas » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:45 pm
by asmrz » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:53 pm
by asmrz » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:06 am
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