I told him the climbing community is always eager to accept a new guy willing to learn. Am I wrong?
FortMental wrote:I told him the climbing community is always eager to accept a new guy willing to learn. Am I wrong?
Eager is not the right word....
I've usually suspicious of the motives of some people, particularly adults, who decide, out of the blue, to take up something like mountaineering. It's one thing if you're a kid who's done the reading, slung the clothesline over the roof, and at least gone through some of the basic motions. It's different if you just want to participate in an "extreme sport" because you think it "might be cool"..... Know what I mean?
Once, an eager young person very close to me wanted me to take them climbing. I refused, saying that if they REALLY wanted to do it, they'd have to take a few of those baby steps for themselves, by themselves, to prove to themselves that they wanted it badly enough.
marcminish wrote:I recommended something besides Rainier as a first start. Maybe you disagree. Please chime in here.
d_shorb wrote:marcminish wrote:I recommended something besides Rainier as a first start. Maybe you disagree. Please chime in here.
Perhaps he may want to just stay home. Why try something he might have to turn around on. Indeed, he'll inevitably have to turn around on something, so you should recommend that he give up the "sport" of mountaineering now. Rainier...yeah right.... how about a good safe sand dune on the Oregon coast, that way, if he doesn't make it up, he can at least Baptize himself in the sea afterward. If the goal is to insure he has "Success" his first time out by gaining the highest point on something --and get a sense of accomplishment so he sicks with it-- that's what I'd suggest. How could he possibly be prepared for the shlog, possible storms, crevasses, and general potential risk of a mountain on which something "could actually happen" in lieu of a "safer" mountain. He might come away with an awe of the mountains, or worse, a bruised ego. I say the Safer the Better. Have him start by highpointing the Southeast first, and Kan sas.
God forbid he gets to a point on any route and says,"you know what? I'm actually feeling anxious about this, I think I want to turn around now."
1. he could ruin everyone's day
2. he could hold on to that negative experience and not try mountaineering again (in which case we can all laugh and say he probably wasn't made out for mountaineering anyway)
3. his judgement could be soooooooo bad that he doesn't know he should turn around, in which case his rope team would have to help him (UGH, don't we all hate helping our Partners, F@ck)
4. he could hurt himself
5. he could hurt someone else, no really, he could.
Again, with the guestion being where/how he should start his mountain career: Let him know that he just shouldn't take any risks...ever. Or think that he can do something, when , really, he can't. That'd be suuch a waste of money.
Gary Schenk wrote:Hi, Marc!
Where you been, you misguided lackey of the capitalist system? (Oops! We're not allowed to banter here anymore, I forgot! My bad.)
A guided trip on Rainier will be a load of fun for your buddy. Even if it doesn't work out that mountaineering is for him, it'll be an experience he'll never forget. He'll learn a lot, too.
Pay no attention to the nattering nabobs of negativism. Tell him to go for it.
billisfree wrote:Why do the big one first?
Most of us started small and worked our way higher.
marcminish wrote: Experience counts. That's what I hope my new friend will learn.
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