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Rescue on Mount Shasta

Postby Bombchaser » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:05 am

This is the only news I have on this one. If the details are true in this article then this guy should not have been up there and should have to pay for all costs of this rescue. Again, I don't have all details so my opinion is based on this article. There have been a large number of rescues on Shasta this spring.

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http://www.redding.com/news/2010/jun/21 ... mt-shasta/
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Postby Bombchaser » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:18 am

I'm not an advocate of a climber paying rescue fees. I have been on here and news sites many times advocating for the climber. But when a climber goes up without proper experience and gear, then they should have to pay. The article stated he was not experienced and did not have proper gear. Tennis shoes on a major snow covered volcanic peak? Really??
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Postby The Chief » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:34 am

Gravenkamp said Maslov was wearing only shorts, a T-shirt and tennis shoes.

No different than 2/3rds of the folks that I have encountered in the past five years on the Whitney Main Trail on my way to the NF Trail, on a regular basis.

It's the modern mountaineers outfit.

And when shit happens, just dial 911 and wait for the helo to come pick your ass up.

What's the big deal?
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:09 am

In late June, isn't Shasta a bit more of a snow climb than the Whitney main trail?
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Postby billisfree » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:28 am

Have to remember, the first recorded accent of Mt. Rainier was done by a bunch of college students in tennis shoes - "just to see how high they could go".

I'm sure if these people tried again - they'll be wiser and better equiped.
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Postby mconnell » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:39 am

Since I've climbed several peaks as tall as Shasta in the winter with not much more than he was wearing, I won't comment on lack of gear. What struck me about the article was the discussion of his "injuries". He had a couple of scrapes and bruises. Sounds like grounds for a helicopter ride to me. :roll:
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Postby ExcitableBoy » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:35 am

Bombchaser wrote: Tennis shoes on a major snow covered volcanic peak? Really??


I did Casaval Ridge ridge on Memorial Day weekend. We saw all manners of foot wear comming up Avalanche Gulch from expedition plastic boots to tennis shoes with strap on crampons. All seemed apporpriate given the weather and conditions.
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Postby mrchad9 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:04 am

I got a scrape and a cut last weekend, no bruises, but I was a little thirsty. Where's my helicopter ride?
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Postby Sunny Buns » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:29 am

On Shasta, you fill out a climbing permit at the trailhead and deposit your money in the slot. It says right there that the fee covers search and rescue. The feds have taken the responsibility to pay for all rescues with their permit system.

If they insist on requiring fees, then paying for search and rescue sounds like a good use for the money.
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Postby mrchad9 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:50 am

I agree completely, if it is a necessary rescue. Not if it is some jackwad with scrapes and bruises. In that scenario you need to hike out yourself.

Perhaps the article mischaracterized the injuries- wouldn't be the first time. Otherwise the CHP is out there just playing with helicopters.
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Postby Bombchaser » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:02 pm

From what I have read on several news stories on this incident he and his friends were crossing an ice field when he fell. He had no climbing equipment; helmet, ice axe, nothing. He was wearing tennis shoes and slipped. In my opinion, if you try and summit a major peak such as this with none of the basic climbing gear and do it in tennis shoes, your a dumbass. In a case like this that person should pay all costs related to the rescue. incidents like this are going to cause fees to go higher and more restrictions to be placed. I pass people all of the time without the proper gear. Then when something happens they expect the other climbers to come to their rescue and call on their cell phone for a ride off the mountain. The major Cascade peaks are not disneyland, or a city park. They are potentially dangerous, "Climbs" not day hikes. An incident like this also tarnishes the public preception of mountain climbing. Common sense says you don't attempt to scale a snow covered mountain in tennis shoes! I guess you can just use your cell phone and call for a helo when things get difficult because the fees everyone has to pay will save your ass. What a stupid concept. :evil:
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http://www.mtshastanews.com/newsnow/x62 ... ta-climber
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Postby dskoon » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:23 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:I couldn't care less about the tarnished image of climbers. Its ridiculous actually, to feel any sense of fault or shame associated with a young man trying and failing to walk up a mountain.

I don't want anyone deciding what mandatory equipment I must take on a climb to be 'rescue ready.' I'll not conform with some stranger's notion of responsible climbing either.

One pays, all pay. You too, if you should ever need a rescue. How you like that?

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+1 Agree with that sentiment.
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Postby Bombchaser » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:23 pm

Dingus Milktoast wrote:I couldn't care less about the tarnished image of climbers. Its ridiculous actually, to feel any sense of fault or shame associated with a young man trying and failing to walk up a mountain.

I don't want anyone deciding what mandatory equipment I must take on a climb to be 'rescue ready.' I'll not conform with some stranger's notion of responsible climbing either.

One pays, all pay. You too, if you should ever need a rescue. How you like that?

DMT


You need to stay off the mountains because it sounds like you have no care for the safety of others or costs. If I ever have to be rescued it will be because of a major accident or illness. I go as prepared as possible when I climb something of this size. I don't go recklessly because I think it's my right to do whatever I please. If you go up in tennis shoes and slip on ice you may not only injure yourself but maybe you will take out another climber on the way down. If I'm out climbing and some moron in tennis shoes comes tumbling down the mountain and injures me, expect a law suit for negligence.
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