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Postby Arthur Digbee » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:24 pm

redneck wrote:Attacks on all of us. For example:
some douche wrote:Using the Trip Report, users on Summitpost pound their chests and say to the world “Look what I’ve done”. It’s all about the testosterone. He who does the most radical, daring, or physically challenging escapade is the winner. This is the culture that is fermented on the site. Instead of developing an appreciation and respect for the mountains, users are funneled into a contest of who can bag the most peaks in the fastest amount of time.


I thought we were all overweight hikers? :?:
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Postby MoapaPk » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:24 pm

I think you can see some of the tortured psychology by reading one of his other articles:
http://www.informativesports.com/Other/ ... d_gina.htm

Clearly he gets ticked off and uses his likely-little-read forum to take out his frustrations. Some people think they have chips implanted in their heads; other people should have chips implanted in their heads.
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Postby rpc » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:43 pm

This is the culture that is fermented on the site.

sound like somebody been skippin them english classes in junior high.
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Postby Augie Medina » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:49 pm

Inf***ingcredible! There is something going on here that we don't know about; about how the bee got in his bonnet about SP, Bob Burd and PellucidWombat (PW). Nobody just stumbles onto a website and develops venomous hatred towards it complete with delusional notions about its purpose and content. No, I'd not heard that PW was Burd's "protege" but maybe I've missed all the TRs about trips Bob and PW have done together.

For starters, I'm sure the American Alpine Club will not be very happy about the use of its logo at the top of the article suggesting that it has some connection to the author's fanatical rant.

More than just one person's point of view, this guy really does go beyond the pale directly suggesting that PW caused the death of his partner on Shasta for the sake of a TR PW had in his head about spending a night on Shasta, and saying that Bob shares in the blame for this death because of the atmosphere Bob supposedly created on SP. It is not for me to say the consequences that should attach for making such statements.

Before anyone accuses Mr. Buturla of consistency, compare his rants against SPers (he even ridicules the use of this abbreviation) and their supposed predisposition towards TRs that only serve bragging purposes, with his own website whose current content is a brag sheet on his wife's efforts towards the 7 Summits goal.
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Postby mrchad9 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:52 pm

Agreed b. I didn't get the glorification of trip reports part. Rarely read them myself as well.
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Postby Deleted User » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:54 pm

the truly sad part is i'm sure he's quite enjoying all this attention.
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Postby welle » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:24 pm

MBS1017 wrote:Unbelievable. He makes me want to puke. We should find this guy and..


...punch him in the face! and...

On their profile pages, on the other hand, that’s where they can put their real name and photos, usually of them doing something heroic and manly climbing up rock or mountain.


post my heroic and manly deed on my profile page!

P.S. I thought SP was all about flower and butterfly pics.
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Postby Diggler » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:26 pm

The grief of the survivors became mistaken for delirium. Our compassionate silence, and even our emotional, spontaneous comments in homage to our dead friends were mistaken for cowardice, if not for guilt. There was talk of judicial inquiries, questions in parliament, and so forth, without scruple or good sense.

It was paradoxical; it was grotesque. Even as I grieved for my dead companions, and in a state of physical prostration, as a man and guide who in all conscience could not have done better or more for their salvation, I now had to defend myself against absurd insinuations, which stopped short of directly accusing me of causing the death of my four friends only because of the cowardice of those who made them. It was as though the public, more ready to blame than to praise, did not know how to mourn the dead except to the detriment of the survivors. A morbid fascination often surrounds such events and encourages speculation. It must also be said that when in search of "news," of a "scoop," the cynical media will aften sacrifice truth for sensation. So through this fabricated chain reaction, everyone criticized the tragedy. People judged, allocated responsibility, and laid down the law about how I, an expert and a veteran of many exploits, should have conducted myself on the Central Pillar. There some journalistswho wrote with integrity, objectivity, and sensitivity, but not too many.

As in the period following my tragic Christmas on Mont Blanc, interviews and roundtable conferences were organized for the newspapers, radio, and television. They asked questions and obtained opinions, if not judgments, from Professor A, actor B, professional C, the Honorable D, on what I and my complanions should or should not have done up there.

But the public, too, were victims. They were misinformed and, whipped into a frenzy, responded by writing letters to the newspapers with the same knee-jerk cynicism demonstrated by the media. For example: "Foolhardy acts...against nature," "Brought upon their own heads," "Frankly, I don't feel like shedding a tear," "There should be a forced labor camp for [Bonatti and his friends]."

A depressing indifference emerged, wrapped up in moralizing: the fruit of an ignoble system of information. Meanwhile the survivors remained unheard and ignored.

The truth is that up there on the pillar, all seven of us were men and brothers. A relentless fate had isolated us from the world in a death trap, and no one could help us until the epilogue of the tragedy. I was a survivor simply because I had not wanted, nor been able, to let myself die.


-Walter Bonatti, following the tragedy that occurred during the attempt of the first ascent of the Central Pillar of Frêney

He is right about the "armchair mountaineers" proclaiming great knowledge & using Trip Reports (in this case a blog under the guise of an "article") to trumpet their own ill-informed opinions. He says that "...cyber geek armchair climbers rarely do any sort of real climbing." He speaks of himself, and doesn't even know it.

"What would remain is its vapid wasteland of so many internet bullies and "experts", [sic] not unlike so many other social networking sites that started out as well-intentioned, yet devolved into just that much more cyberspace clutter." This describes his little editorial.

He accurately describes one of the major drawbacks of the internet; that the layman or the fool becomes the author, or the preacher, as the case may be. One must indeed not give all that is on the internet too much credit- reference the article.

For some reason the fool put up a photo of Cathedral Peak I submitted (on SP). When you read this, you little piss-ant (& obviously you will, as you apparently spend as much time on this site as the rest of us in the "community"), please remove it from your blog immediately.
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Postby mrchad9 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:36 pm

welle wrote:post my heroic and manly deed on my profile page!

P.S. I thought SP was all about flower and butterfly pics.

No! It is about hero profile photos! We are the ones who rules SP!!!

<a href="http://www.summitpost.org/user_page.php?user_id=33047"><img src="http://c0278592.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/medium/217745.JPG"></a>

<a href="http://www.summitpost.org/user_page.php?user_id=45025"><img src="http://c0278592.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/medium/636079.jpg"></a>

<a href="http://www.summitpost.org/user_page.php?user_id=54635"><img src="http://c0278592.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/medium/615902.JPG"></a>
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Postby anita » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:43 pm

DRAMA!
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Postby Ammon Hatch » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:50 pm

MButurla wrote:Shut up you fat little climber bitch.

Real climbing is harder that shooting the crap on Internet forums all day.

But you SPers wouldn't know anything about that.


I bet you're really fun at parties. Real climbing is also more than "stick[ing] to the most traveled routes and stay[ing] close to home in the winter.".

Which loosely translated means "I'm a pansy and don't have the balls to do real mountaineering."

Michael, how dare you invoke the names of Anatoli Boukreev and Ed Viesturs. If great men like that stayed close to home and on the most traveled routes what would they have to show for it? It is YOU that will never be as great as them.
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Postby anita » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:51 pm

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Postby b. » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:51 pm

MButurla wrote:Shut up you fat little climber bitch.

Real climbing is harder that shooting the crap on Internet forums all day.

But you SPers wouldn't know anything about that.


I'd rally to guess you know less. Your blog reads like a 14 year old's essay about how he spent his summer learning to 'climb'. Hire a guide, hike up this thing, hike up that thing, bitch about the guide. If you can't get good climbing done in Bolivia then you are no climber. It's a weekend trip to 6000 meters from La Paz. Not sure why you have such a bug up your ass about a website, but I assure you, some people here do some real climbing. You should try it some time, it might give you a little perspective. Class, however, is completely out of your reach.
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Postby Castlereagh » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:54 pm

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Postby Luciano136 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:55 pm

MButurla wrote:Well, clearly I know what I am doing, unlike those dumbasses Mark and Thomas. I am here, alive and well, wasting my time trying to talk sense at you losers.

I can invoke whomever I want. I AM the real mountaineer here. You keyboard jockeys should try to learn a thing or two from my blog.


Nice one troll :lol:
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