1000Pks wrote:While never having owned one, my experience with GPS

Non sequitur of the day!

is that they are wildly inaccurate, and I would never go definitively by one.

Oh please. Five trips on that trail match quite well. Comparison of measured map mileage and GPS mileage, on roads, is typically very good, even though the per-mile sampling rate is greatly reduced. I'm not talking about the GPS chipset in a cellphone.

The DPS guide is pretty good by me, and you can look at the maps.

Look at the DPS guide page for NGA. Nobody follows those straight lines. There are now pretty good trails in several of the places. Nobody goes across the basin to NGA as they show; the herd path snakes around the manzanita and scrub oak. Few sane people walk off the overlook as they show, but rather take the switch-backed use trail to the east.

The DPS does send out updates of the guide for members; but many of the descriptions of routes in the printed guide are inaccurate, because they were written long ago. The approach roads may have fallen into disrepair (e.g. Tipton, Clark), No Trespassing zones have sprung up (Granite Mojave), or forest fires and land slides have obliterated trails (Porter east).

Wouldn't know why exactly you'd deny this guy one of the short hike/best views gained in Zion, but each to their own. The DPS uses straight lines in their maps as there are so many ways to go and to draw in a single purported route is misleading.

That the SC seeks to get rid of peak bagging is apparent, I do not support them. eep is dead in Northern CA, and they are working on S CA. Myself, I believe in bc fun and adventure, as long as it's safe and responsible. Of course here at SP, this gets hatred and attacks, but then some must go out and actually climb, by the real registers.

btw, love to see pix and hear how it went.

Didn't have access to internet for a few days. The trip was fun and we just stuck to some short hikes across Bryce and Zion. It was sunny but chilly; it went down to 9F on Thanksgiving night. The parks are beautiful with snow!

My thanks and apologies to 1000pks (seriously). Day Hiker pointed out that he got about 2.9 to 3.1 miles to the NGA shoulder, not 3.7 as I thought, closer to the 2.75 suggested by Pete.

I went back to the raw GPS logs and got 2.94 to 3.10, depending on how you measure (x-y distance vs putting in the z-component-- that was the cause of Day Hiker's range, too). 5 logs agreed on the common portions; the GPS was dead-on consistent.

The cause of the discrepancy? In my rush to provide numbers, I likely made a goof in the mapping program. I had clipped out two small spikes where I wandered off the route briefly, then glued the track back together. Somehow I managed to replicate the middle 0.8 miles; this didn't show up on the map, because the points were exactly coincident on the extra section. Sometimes my right hand goes into spasms, especially when I am rushing, and I accidentally use copy commands that were not intended.

Sadly, this extra 0.8 miles probably kept Lucianco off the shoulder of NGA.

Sadly, this extra 0.8 miles probably kept Lucianco off the shoulder of NGA.

He can see how it looks thanks to our websites, yours in digital so much better, btw.

As far as that goes, what is this?

http://hwstock.org/jumbo/html/IMG_0909.htm

1000Pks wrote:

Sadly, this extra 0.8 miles probably kept Lucianco off the shoulder of NGA.

He can see how it looks thanks to our websites, yours in digital so much better, btw.

As far as that goes, what is this?

http://hwstock.org/jumbo/html/IMG_0909.htm

Looks to me like a summit log.

Dead center in the photo, it appears some sort of joke, beyond me. Is this as shot or some photo editing pranksterism, just curious.

Now that I look at it closely, it seems real. For years I thought "Mars Bonfire" was a prank.

MoapaPk wrote:Now that I look at it closely, it seems real. For years I thought "Mars Bonfire" was a prank.

There is a real person who answers to that name, although I wonder if the supposed 17x or what HPS list completion is actually true, since the numbers seem to skip about in the registers, or something like that.

So you wouldn't know who writes in "Darija Yamagata," or whether this is any sort of real person that my attorneys can contact, being that there is maybe some kind of imposter or what I am trying to figure out?

1000Pks wrote:So you wouldn't know who writes in "Darija Yamagata," or whether this is any sort of real person that my attorneys can contact, being that there is maybe some kind of imposter or what I am trying to figure out?

As you have suggested, many of the names in registers are suspect. In fact, you once made a claim that Sierra Club members pay people to get the logs for them, so they can sign in without the effort of climbing the peak. I have more faith in human nature, and will assume DY was signed by a real person. The first name is not the same as yours anyway, so I doubt anyone would mistake this sign-in as yours.

MoapaPk wrote:

1000Pks wrote:So you wouldn't know who writes in "Darija Yamagata," or whether this is any sort of real person that my attorneys can contact, being that there is maybe some kind of imposter or what I am trying to figure out?

As you have suggested, many of the names in registers are suspect. In fact, you once made a claim that Sierra Club members pay people to get the logs for them, so they can sign in without the effort of climbing the peak. I have more faith in human nature, and will assume DY was signed by a real person. The first name is not the same as yours anyway, so I doubt anyone would mistake this sign-in as yours.

Suggestion, rather than claim. I have heard top SC people stating that, "All you have to do is to get your name in that book." In reference to how it is known that anyone has climbed a peak. I have heard of people stating to write in names, corroborated by a check, and sign-ins that are not the writing of the presumed entrant. Given you can be too tired to sign in and have it done by a companion, or be signed in by another so reluctantly given that for what reason you do not wish to enter your signature, or it could be for many reasons.

But coupled with the general fraud that the local enviro club is into, with subsequent divulsions of similar, it seems reasonable to think many of the purported sign-ins are false, and I detect that there is little corroboration between claims logged in here at SP and any true registers actually for sign in on the top of any peak. That may well be for good reason, too, I often wish that I could have started out with an alias, as it might be that someone has tracked me down and is doing me some major harm or loss!

So you have no knowledge of this matter. So be it.

Cute.

http://hwstock.org/jumbo/html/IMG_0909.htm