by Gafoto » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:52 am
by Sierra Ledge Rat » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:25 pm
by oldsnowy » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:45 am
by clmbr » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:23 am
Vitaliy M. wrote:If person who took the register (from Black Kaweah) is reading, please do your best to return it to where it belongs. It is a long ways in there, and if you do not want to hike all that way you can PM me and I can return it for you. 100% confidential, would not judge you in any way, and would actually respect you a lot for admitting your fault and doing the right thing. And to all others who have any historic registers in possession, please return them, or PM me, and I might return them if I am interested in the peak.
by Langenbacher » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:00 am
clmbr wrote:Vitaliy M. wrote:If person who took the register (from Black Kaweah) is reading, please do your best to return it to where it belongs. It is a long ways in there, and if you do not want to hike all that way you can PM me and I can return it for you. 100% confidential, would not judge you in any way, and would actually respect you a lot for admitting your fault and doing the right thing. And to all others who have any historic registers in possession, please return them, or PM me, and I might return them if I am interested in the peak.
This sounds very naive. If you want them to return it, give them some address (perhaps a Ranger Station) they could anonymously mail it to.
clmbr wrote:Some archives have to be removed because there is not enough capacity in the metal box to keep them in (e.g. Shasta, Rainier, Whitney).
Digitalizing and posting (and indexing) archives on the internet would be a cool approach (e.g. searched by summit, climber name, day).....
SPS Management Committee wrote:A register should not be removed, even if full, when less than 40 years old, unless it is seriously weather damaged and in danger of loss. A register may be removed for preservation if it is 40 years old or older and full. Illegible scraps of paper, business cards, etc. may be removed from a register container if, in the judgment of the leader, they have no particular significance. However, if such notes are records of early Sierra Club climbs or SPS climbs, they should be left. Scraps removed should be returned to the SPS Mountain Records Chair. Notebooks with historical significance shall be preserved by copying with a digital camera in place. Another notebook must be left on the peak when the original is removed. Removal should be coordinated with the SPS Mountain Records Chair. Copies thus made will be retained by the SPS Mountain Records Chair.
by willytinawin » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:51 pm
Langenbacher wrote:If you should happen upon an old register on an obscure or unnamed peak with signatures from Norman Clyde, etc., - KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. The registers will do just fine without any publicity, as they have for so many years.
by El Cuervo » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:29 am
by El Cuervo » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:22 am
by thegib » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:45 pm
by El Cuervo » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:29 pm
by MoapaPk » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:18 pm
by Vitaliy M. » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:04 am
El Cuervo wrote:Bob Burd opined...
"I confess that I really dislike business cards dropped in the register and freely admit removing those whenever I find them - so I'm hardly innocent of imposing my own standard of ethics."
and then again...
"Robert Ingraham (of the SRC from the article) contacted me with his concerns that this will only help thieves located their next targets. I didn't agree and told him so in reply. And it's been debated continuously for years now. And so it goes...
I'll never stop enjoying the moments I discover yet another register left by Gordon and Barbara."
Hardly innocent is an understatement. You are like a smoker in a tiny, crowded cafe of people wishing to breath smoke-free air. Indulging your need to show the world what you found means that fewer of the rest of us will enjoy that very same moment you relish so."
Simply stating that you disagree with those of us that have pleaded with you for years to keep your mouth shut is a cop-out.
I know my pleas fall on your deaf ears. Perhaps others will read this and see the error in your selfish ways and take you task as well.
Let each climber enjoy the sense of discovery by reading a register that they found after scaling a peak.
Pounding your chest after driving and driving and driving all those miles serves only you Bob. And is a dis-service to many others.
Keeping quiet about what you have found on a summit in no way diminishes your effort, and preserves the adventure for all that may find their way to that same summit.
by Bob Burd » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:42 am
El Cuervo wrote:Simply stating that you disagree with those of us that have pleaded with you for years to keep your mouth shut is a cop-out.
I know my pleas fall on your deaf ears. Perhaps others will read this and see the error in your selfish ways and take you [to] task as well.
by MoapaPk » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:56 am
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