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NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby Deleted User » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:54 am

I was pleased by the recent submission of the Comici-Dimai page on Cima Grande.
Thanks!
One thing often bugs me with many of the european entries: the misunderstanding of the Grade entry. The Grade entry is the NCCS grade (see mvs's grade page), a US overall grading system. The UIAA rock difficulty (VI, VII) should be translated to the Yosemite "5. something" (again check the handy grade fact page). If we add the UIAA grade it should be in the "Difficulty" entry, maybe along with TD, ED.
Why all this? Because of the search machine and keeping the results purposeful.
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby Deleted User » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:57 pm

Thanks for the Thanks, Kamil!
I wonder if someday a grade translation gadget will be implemented, a bit like the meters/feet one.
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby Deleted User » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:55 pm

Grade conversation would be the solution but as long as that ain't installed i think we need to go for local grades ...

For instance in the uk they use a different grade than the french grade.

It tells you about the commitment and the technical grade. Both are important and personally for trad climbs i like the english more than the french/yosemite grading system ...
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby phlipdascrip » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:39 pm

http://www.alpinist.com/p/online/grades

NCCS = National Climbing Classification System (USA)
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby chugach mtn boy » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:51 pm

This is the mvs page Borut was referring to:
http://www.summitpost.org/handy-alpine-grade-facts/173430
From the point of view of someone who mostly scrambles at the lower grades, it's great because it's one of the few comparisons that correctly equates the lower UIAA grades to the YDS classes (e.g., UIAA II = YDS Class 4).
Borut is surely right that after you do the translation, the result goes under "Difficulty", and if you don't translate, the UIAA number still goes under "Difficulty", not "Grade."
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby Deleted User » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:00 pm

chugach mtn boy wrote:This is the mvs page Borut was referring to:
http://www.summitpost.org/handy-alpine-grade-facts/173430
From the point of view of someone who mostly scrambles at the lower grades, it's great because it's one of the few comparisons that correctly equates the lower UIAA grades to the YDS classes (e.g., UIAA II = YDS Class 4).
Borut is surely right that after you do the translation, the result goes under "Difficulty", and if you don't translate, the UIAA number still goes under "Difficulty", not "Grade."

It happens again and again. Well... LOL, though it diminishes the quality of an Advanced Search.
The idea of having a conversion option in the primary entries of a route page (like the meter to feet thing) is presently being supported by mvs through his new article: "Collaborative SummitPost" (also see comments).
It's worth backing up, I'd say.
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby kamil » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:37 pm

borutbk wrote:Thanks for the Thanks, Kamil!

First of all - Borut, thanks for bringing this point to attention :)
I've also noticed that us Europeans often get confused by this 'grade' thing and on our route pages we put the UIAA technical difficulty there. I've only avoided this mistake thanks to our Michael mvs :D
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Re: NCCS grade & Rock difficulty Entries in the primary info

Postby Deleted User » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:20 pm

It's the roman numerals that get the folks going. But the fact that the max. numeral is VII should make us a little suspicious. We know that the seventh grade has long been upgraded. Another tip is to check the info boxes while (or before) filling in the primary data.
Myself am not a good example. In order to avoid having to study the YDS and NCCS (a bit), a lot of my pages just avoided the problem: only filling out the free entry box called "Difficulty" (not Rock difficulty >YDS, or Grade >NCCS). In that way I could submit some info, but without messing up the Advanced Search.
The Advanced Search makes it possible to select routes according to Grade(NCCS) and Rock difficulty(YDS). If we(ii) enter something wrong in those fields it only interferes.
And some pages have a similar prob due to mistaken Activity fied entry (as well). Imagine! LOL
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