by Hotoven » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:23 pm
by Damien Gildea » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:20 pm
Steve1215 wrote: Alpinism involves rock climbing that is rated at least 5.9 in difficulty...or ice climbing of 65 degrees or greater.
by jesu, joy of man's desiring » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:29 pm
Hotoven wrote:Steve1215 is back!? Where have you been?
by Bergshrund » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:26 am
ExcitableBoy wrote:Bergshrund wrote:Hugh? Seige Style?
The term is Expedition Style or Expedition Mountaineering.
Who created this 'seige style' term?
Not sure who coined it, but it has been in constant use since I started climbing over 20 years ago.
by jesu, joy of man's desiring » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:47 am
Damien Gildea wrote:Mountaineering - a very general term for moving through, and over, the mountains on foot. May include some hiking, some moving over snow, ice and/or rock, glacier travel or all of those. May include technical climbing, or just hiking in the mountains. Does not include rockclimbing at the crag, bouldering or crag-style WI ice climbing.
A subset of Mountaineering is ...
Alpine Climbing - climbing peaks in an alpine environment, usually of a more technical nature than just hiking up mountains, though hiking may be involved in approaching the more technical climbing. May involve rockclimbing, ice climbing, snow climbing and/or glacier travel, maybe all in the same morning. An alpine climb may often involve snow or ice climbing, and glacier travel, but in some cases can be a predominately rock climb. So, longer, higher and colder than just rockclimbing at the crag. More technical than just hiking up a hill. Done on Lower 48 peaks, Alaskan peaks, Himalaya, European Alps, New Zealand, Patagonia etc - anywhere there are relatively high peaks that require long climbing sessions to get up them.
by Bergshrund » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:03 am
by ExcitableBoy » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:27 pm
by ExcitableBoy » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:55 pm
Bergshrund wrote:For 20 yrs experience Excitable, I'm surprised you still don't understand what it is i've been explaining to you, in the bottom of your Alpinism educational course.
by Damien Gildea » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:37 am
Bergshrund wrote:Hugh? Seige Style?
Who created this 'seige style' term?
Damien's explanation of 'alpine style' is correct although I wouldn't call it a method.
The method they are using is Alpine Moutnaineering.
Even the methods that Expediton Mountaineers use is the skillsets of the Alpine Mountaineer.
Alpine Style is just a word used in guidebooks or journals
.. to qualify an ascent that met certain criteria...ie. single push
Regarding this 'Capsule Style', this is Expedition Style.
...but people generally get the idea of what qualifies a group for Expedition Mountaineering vs the other.
by jesu, joy of man's desiring » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:49 am
by Bergshrund » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:38 am
by Damien Gildea » Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:27 am
Bergshrund wrote:... you don't actually say WHY each statement is incorrect. You quote, then you go off on a rant about something, that could in fact be very legit, but unfortunately has little to do with proving the INVALID-NESS of my statement.
by ExcitableBoy » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:55 pm
Bergshrund wrote:The section on Excitables page, the closer I looked at it could have the Crevasse/ice section renamed to GLACIER, ICE, SNOW CLIMBING. His claim that "Mountaineers stick to the easy routes" sounds like it's written from a novice. It's the whole, I climb bigger routes than you, therefore I'm better. "Bigger" or "Harder" is also highly subjective. Who says? It sounds small, you should remove it. The difficulty or technical barriers on a single route have no defining difference for the term "Alpinism" or "Mountaineering".
Bergshrund wrote:Your a grown man, and your kicking and screaming like a 10-yr old with a temper tantrum. You should be ashamed of yourself.
by Hotoven » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:56 pm
by jesu, joy of man's desiring » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:37 pm
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