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Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby lsheen » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:12 am

Looking for feedback here...

Many SP'ers know I am interested in annotated photos - photos with added text ID'ing some (many?) of the peaks in a large-field-of-view photo - in my case, particularly the Himalaya. I am also very interested in unusual views of Himalayan peaks.

You should also know that I am essentially a visible lurker, who has posted exactly zero photos of my own, outside my user photo.

Lately I have been toying with the idea of creating 2 albums, one for annotated mountain photos and another for unusual aspects of peaks. Initially, I would assemble these albums from material already posted on SP, although in my internet travels I have found many such shots that I really like, and would approach the photographers and ask them if I could post and include their shots in these albums. I envision both albums starting with an emphasis on the Himalaya/Karakorum, but if things worked out and there was interest (and I had time!) I could see the albums including other ranges & areas. My personal fascination is the Himalaya, but certainly there are other areas deserving such treatment as well!

Would this be kosher?

On the one hand, I feel like it's just rehashing and riding on others coattails, and could appear to be a self-serving excercise. OTOH, I think some SP'ers would enjoy the content.

What say you all?

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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby Marcsoltan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:33 am

lsheen wrote:Looking for feedback here...

Many SP'ers know I am interested in annotated photos - photos with added text ID'ing some (many?) of the peaks in a large-field-of-view photo - in my case, particularly the Himalaya. I am also very interested in unusual views of Himalayan peaks.

You should also know that I am essentially a visible lurker, who has posted exactly zero photos of my own, outside my user photo.

Lately I have been toying with the idea of creating 2 albums, one for annotated mountain photos and another for unusual aspects of peaks. Initially, I would assemble these albums from material already posted on SP, although in my internet travels I have found many such shots that I really like, and would approach the photographers and ask them if I could post and include their shots in these albums. I envision both albums starting with an emphasis on the Himalaya/Karakorum, but if things worked out and there was interest (and I had time!) I could see the albums including other ranges & areas. My personal fascination is the Himalaya, but certainly there are other areas deserving such treatment as well!

Would this be kosher?

On the one hand, I feel like it's just rehashing and riding on others coattails, and could appear to be a self-serving excercise. OTOH, I think some SP'ers would enjoy the content.

What say you all?

Peace,

Big Lew


Hey Lew,

I don't see any problem in doing what you are suggesting, in fact, I think it goes a long way to improve Summitpost. I have seen countless albums made of other people's photos. I have even seen albums that are collections of other members' albums.

As far as I am concerned this is totally kosher.

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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby lcarreau » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:50 am

Yo Lew ....

My suggestion? I think it's as kosher as a dill pickle ..

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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby lcarreau » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:21 am

Of course, THIS is what happens when you don't share those dill pickles ..... :D

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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby Baarb » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:30 am

I seem to recall it being said that one couldn't take a photo that was already on SP, modify it, and then reupload it without the permission of the original person. I'm not sure if that was going to be any part of the plan (wrt say, annotations) but I'll just throw it out there. As has been said, compiling photos on a theme is a common practice however and the more mountain related it is the more positively it is likely to be received.
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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby norco17 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:05 pm

Baarb wrote:I seem to recall it being said that one couldn't take a photo that was already on SP, modify it, and then reupload it without the permission of the original person. I'm not sure if that was going to be any part of the plan (wrt say, annotations) but I'll just throw it out there. As has been said, compiling photos on a theme is a common practice however and the more mountain related it is the more positively it is likely to be received.


It is cool to collect, but modifying/reposting gets into copyright issues. If the person gives you permission then you are good. A lot of sites require things to link back to the original site. SP does this automaticaly within itself, however I think to add an image into a gallerey it must be on SP which would create link back issues to sites like flickr. So two things
1. If it is on SP it isn't an issue adding it to a gallery
2. If it is not on SP then as long as you have creaters blessings go for it
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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby lsheen » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:18 am

Baarb wrote:I seem to recall it being said that one couldn't take a photo that was already on SP, modify it, and then reupload it without the permission of the original person. I'm not sure if that was going to be any part of the plan (wrt say, annotations) but I'll just throw it out there. As has been said, compiling photos on a theme is a common practice however and the more mountain related it is the more positively it is likely to be received.


Thanks Baarb, I knew that. Good point tho - I will make sure I make the rules clear in the Album description.

The first time I annotated some else's I jpeg, I didn't follow the rules. Fortunately, it was no big deal as Afzal (the poster in question) was very understanding. The other 2 annotated shots I've posted were legal, as I received permission to annotate, rename, and repost the the Cho Oyu panorama from both the poster and the original photographer - who were not the same person in this case, and the NASA Annapurna shot is public domain. With the NASA shot it's probably a gray area, since I altered and renamed the photo, but I would claim educational purposes, and it's not like I'm printing hundreds of big glossies and selling them! I think we need to use some common sense vis the DMCA.

I appreciate your chiming in with some good advice,

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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby lsheen » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:23 am

norco17 wrote:
Baarb wrote:I seem to recall it being said that one couldn't take a photo that was already on SP, modify it, and then reupload it without the permission of the original person. I'm not sure if that was going to be any part of the plan (wrt say, annotations) but I'll just throw it out there. As has been said, compiling photos on a theme is a common practice however and the more mountain related it is the more positively it is likely to be received.


It is cool to collect, but modifying/reposting gets into copyright issues. If the person gives you permission then you are good. A lot of sites require things to link back to the original site. SP does this automaticaly within itself, however I think to add an image into a gallerey it must be on SP which would create link back issues to sites like flickr. So two things
1. If it is on SP it isn't an issue adding it to a gallery
2. If it is not on SP then as long as you have creaters blessings go for it


Yes - thanks for the detailed explanation. I will make sure that the album's description lays out the ground rules as clearly as I can. As for the non-SP images I have in mind, I will seek and receive the owner's permission or I won't repost. Of course, I would hope that everyone else would play by the rules, too! My sense is that the vast majority of SP members will have no problems with this.

Thanks for the input Norco17,

Big Lew
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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby lsheen » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:25 am

BTW - I've never done this before, forgive me if this is a stupid question... can I just go out and attach native SP photos to an album, or does the owner have to do this?

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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby Baarb » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:57 am

Once the album is created you can click the 'Add Image' link on the left-hand side of the resulting page and either upload a new photo or attach an existing one that is on the site regardless of who put it there to start with. To do the latter you generally have to know the name of the photo so you can search for it and then select it. Anyway, it's all quite obvious when you get around to it. One of the things you'll have to choose is whether to make it so that only you can add photos or whether other users can too.
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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby Arthur Digbee » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:09 pm

When in doubt, ask the photographer. Most will be flattered.

Baarb's point about who has permission to add photos is a big strategic question.
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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby Bob Sihler » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:37 pm

Per SP policy, you can attach any other SP photos to your pages. Some do the courtesy of asking first; others don't. It's usually no big deal. If you feature someone else's photo on the page layout itself rather than just in the gallery, it's a good idea to make a caption giving that person credit.

Keep in mind that members also have the right to detach their photos if they don't want them on the page; this occasionally happens.

You've already indicated you would seek non-members' permission to upload their photos first, so you're on good ground there.

If you make the album private-attach only, there is a way around it that some people know. It's not terribly hard to figure out, but I will keep mum nevertheless!
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Re: Creating an album - etiquette?

Postby nartreb » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:25 pm

>the NASA Annapurna shot is public domain.

>With the NASA shot it's probably a gray area, since I altered and renamed the photo

Those two statements are in contradiction.

If a photo is in the public domain, you can do ANYTHING you want with it. (You don't need to bother with "fair use" arguments like educational purpose.)

Note that just finding a photo on NASA's website doesn't always mean it's in the public domain. The rule is that anything produced by the federal Government is in the public domain (http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#105), but government websites sometimes display photos that weren't taken by a government employee. Those were copyrighted by the photographer who produced them and (unless the photographer agrees otherwise) stay that way no matter whose website they appear on.
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