Autoxfil wrote:Sounds like Guide Tennies with real Stealth C4 would be the ticket - more grip than Camp 4s, for sure. Just seam-grip the outer rand a little and they will last, too.
I've had dot-rubber soles, like on the old guide tennies, and they are great on rock... but suck for most of varied terrain, and are absolutely miserable on talus. I am thinking of several trips that have perhaps only 10-20% on rock, but on the rock, you really want grip. Downhills on scree, on dot-rubber soles, seems too much like uncontrolled skiing!
I had friXion rubber on a pair of La Sportiva approach shoes, and that was fairly sticky, though not like 5.10s. I felt the rubber on the Inov-8 Roclites was even less sticky.
I end up re-gluing all my shoes with seam grip urethane. I rebuilt the heel counters on my 1st camp four pair several times.
On the frictional limestone around here, one can get by with just plain soft rubber, like on most athletic shoes (unless one is on on a polished dryfall). What I dislike in most in trail runners, is that the sole often bends away when one tries to edge. On sandstone, it's a different story, but I just adjust. People did an awful lot in nailed boots years ago, so much of the love for sticky rubber probably just reflects me getting spoiled. On one trip I just forgot to put on my approach shoes when I was leaving the house, and didn't notice I was wearing just trail runners till we were trying to come down a rough stretch. I was probably safer, realizing that I no longer had any magic powers
No one shoe can be everything. Hats off to folks like Seano and cp0915, who do so much is running shoes, be they sticky shoes or not.
I guess it's obvious that I tend to have a lot of approach shoes wearing out at the same time.
So bring on the stickier-than-normal trail runners, and add the toes that can edge!
Looked at the raptors again, that may be what I want.