Today I received a threatening PM from a PellucidWombat.
Poor form Mark. My comments here are accurate.
by mrchad9 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:36 pm
by Kahuna » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:01 am
mrchad9 wrote:Today I received a threatening PM from a PellucidWombat.
Poor form Mark. My comments here are accurate.
by mrchad9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:40 am
A5RP wrote:mrchad9 wrote:Today I received a threatening PM from a PellucidWombat.
Poor form Mark. My comments here are accurate.
PM's are threatening? Holy Sheeet! Would not have been threatening had you not opened it.
Even worse form to quibble about one another's opinion about each other, regardless who you may be, on a thread about someones demise in the hills.
But, whatever.
by Carbo » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:01 am
by Marmaduke » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:06 am
mrchad9 wrote:Today I received a threatening PM from a PellucidWombat.
Poor form Mark. My comments here are accurate.
by WML » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:59 am
by ridgeguy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:07 am
by Kahuna » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:21 am
by clmbr » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:16 pm
A5RP wrote:. . .
That is the case in most (including this OP) if not all incidents that end up in a fatality up in them hills. No one is to blame for our own demise, but ourselves. Period. Them hills will kill you whether you like it or not. Be prepared to die each and every time you do so. That is the nature of venturing into them hills. Fact.
A5RP wrote:We all choose to do what we do in the mountains. No one forces us to do so or to continue on when we hear that sixth sense telling us to turn around, regardless what our partner/s say. It is up to us to take heed to that voice. To expect a partner or someone else to make that/those critical decisions for us, is selfish and totally irresponsible at best, to ourselves.
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by Kahuna » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:39 pm
The second group: people with ethics (or feelings) and even willing to risk their lives to save others in trouble; reliable.
Well, there is another group: volunteers (and staff) taking a part of Search & Rescue (or Recovery) efforts. Sometimes they die too while helping others.
Which group do you belong to?
by clmbr » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:23 pm
A5RP wrote:The second group: people with ethics (or feelings) and even willing to risk their lives to save others in trouble; reliable.
Well, there is another group: volunteers (and staff) taking a part of Search & Rescue (or Recovery) efforts. Sometimes they die too while helping others.
Which group do you belong to?
I have most often pertained to the two above in the past 44 years of actively partaking in this game. If I have a "selfish" agenda, I do it solo as to not put anyone at risk. Unless some of my regular partners wish to partner up with me. i.e Getting on or putting up some stiff aid lines that entail potentially taking some longass whippers. A4/C4 plus gigs etc.
All irrelevant IMO. One still chooses to be an active participant with whomever (partner) it may be. That responsibility ultimately lies on no ones shoulders other than that of the individual choosing to do so. Regardless of group or discipline IMO.
by mrchad9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:45 pm
A5RP wrote:One still chooses to be an active participant with whomever (partner) it may be. That responsibility ultimately lies on no ones shoulders other than that of the individual choosing to do so. Regardless of group or discipline IMO.
by Kahuna » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:51 pm
One person may die in the Sierra on an easy route, another on K2. They are both dead.
As a guide I would hope that you saw yourself at least somewhat responsible for assuring your clients' safety. If you didn't then you wouldn't be a very good one.
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